Gannonless any% Route

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Would this be a completely different category to normal any%? I'm pretty certain normal any% times stop at the final hit on Ganon, and in the Light Arrow Skip route you don't even fight Ganon...

Mr. Hero wrote

Would this be a completely different category to normal any%? I'm pretty certain normal any% times stop at the final hit on Ganon, and in the Light Arrow Skip route you don't even fight Ganon...

Wouldn't it be faster NOT to skip the LA and do BA from the LACS instead of clearing forest temple and doing a reverse DoT skip :p?

But otherwise, this. When to stop the timer is so ambigous with the CS-warp that someone needs to put their foot down on it.

After you pressed A to warp back (last input)?
After white fadeout?
On "The End" screen with Link and Zelda?

TimpZ wrote

Wouldn't it be faster NOT to skip the LA and do BA from the LACS instead of clearing forest temple and doing a reverse DoT skip :p?

This. Beating Forest Temple is gonna be slower in every route, so actually skipping light arrows is pointless unless it's used in a puzzle goal.

The timing that is used for all the categories is typically last meaningful input (AKA final hit on ganon, since textboxes are not meaningful input). This would mean we stop timing after warping with FW, since that is the last input.

i think you should change topic to "Ganonless Any% Routes" or something of the like

or change the old any % to 'Beat Ganon'

Pheenoh wrote

This. Beating Forest Temple is gonna be slower in every route, so actually skipping light arrows is pointless unless it's used in a puzzle goal.

I'll manage to make the forest temple route (skipping RBA and trading items alltogether) quicker than LACS, I swear ;)

If dodongo cavern is included in this run, wouldn't it be faster to use master quest for the run ? DC is far faster in it cause you get the bombs right away and you can go to KD right after them.

I'm just sayin  ;D

Tamis wrote

If dodongo cavern is included in this run, wouldn't it be faster to use master quest for the run ? DC is far faster in it cause you get the bombs right away and you can go to KD right after them.

I'm just sayin  ;D

Look at the 3D section, we've been getting faster times for MQ than regular game

    10r buy stick
    lw, escape
    get rupees down zr (have at least 20)
    wess to kak
    cuccos, bottle
    60r from chains (80r)
    equip bottle to c right
    dot skip
    take damage from redeads down to 1/2 heart
    llr
    swordless (70r)
    exit llr, to kak, dim b button in water on the way
    egg
    pause equip egg c right, bottle c left/down
    kill self by jumping into well
    back to llr, dont dim b button in water
    stick b (60r)
    wait out night, take damage from a poe to 1/2 or 1/4 heart
    egg hatch, kak
    bugs under rock, quick bottle b + equip sword before catching to rba cucco
    catch bugs in real bottle
    wake talon
    cojiro
    equip bugs to c right
    sell B bugs to beggar (110r)
    buy stick, shield, nuts (5r)
    to dc
    blow up 1st wall + death at the same time
    dc up to bombs
    light eyes
    dumb bugs on switch
    Kd, break stick on last hit, take damage from lava during fight
    killself again
    goron city, lw, odd mush
    kak
    fish from grotto
    odd potion
    ss out of kak
    hess to kokiri
    pressure jump
    saw
    up dm to magic
    rba saw
    magic
    sw
    ss to gv
    no isg megaflip
    broken sword
    rba it, rba nuts, 13 nuts
    oi prelude to lacs
    lacs, fw on b
    exit, enter tot, set fw
    ss to kak
    to dc
    dump fish on switch (oi faster if you have a spare bomb)
    win

If you don't want to do isg megaflip you can buy another stick going to odd potion, but you have to get a bottle on B before buying it.  Its only slightly slower, it might even out if you do it well.

I got a 49:02 with this route and 47 is definitely possible.

Pastebin of the route if anyone wants to share it http://pastebin.com/47UzrBcH

Nice Pun = Cannonless (from Super Mario 64) and Gannon (typo of Ganon)  ;)

oligi3008 wrote

Nice Pun = Cannonless (from Super Mario 64) and Gannon (typo of Ganon)  ;)

somebody actually got it =D