Game Time Topic

Game time has transformed a lot since its creation as an SDA-acceptable speedrun category. Modern day runs will use a lot of timestops. Does this completely break the divison? No, since what you can do during a timestop is limited. Does this make it so the game is completable in a fraction of the time it once was? Yes.

Here is the route so far, note that it is not complete yet:

Note that there are a lot of hard tricks, and some of them can be skipped if deemed too difficult by the runner.


Cycle 1:
~ Get 200 Rupees + Adult’s Wallet (store in bank)
~ Get Magic
~ Get Bomb Bag (costs 50 rupees)
~ Watch WCT/Southern Swamp cutscenes (doesn’t save time, but makes run look better)
~ Buy one set of Bombchus, a Deku Stick, and 10 Deku Nuts (see above) (combined cost 80 rupees)
~ Can get four Heart Pieces if you want, can save a bit of frustration in swamp
~ Get OoT and SoT
~ Play SoT to proceed to segment 1

Segment 1:
~ Song of Inverted Time ASAP
~ Re-enter clock tower
~ Song of Healing and Deku Mask
~ Re-equip Deku Mask, head back outside
~ To the owl statue with deku sidehops and backwalking
~ Remove mask
~ Slash owl
~ Save

Segment 2:
~ Equip Deku Mask
~ Head to Banker
~ Withdraw 200 rupees (200 rupees)
~ To the bomb shop
~ Buy two sets of chus, one set of bombs (90 rupees) (20 chus) (10 bombs)
~ Exit shop, up to guard
~ Unequip Deku mask, talk to guard and head through
~ Superslide to Gossip Stone (9 bombs)
~ Gossip stone timestop w/ Ocarina
~ Get two bomb drops from grass around Termina Field (19 bombs)
~ Head towards swamp
~ In next screen, superslide to Southern Swamp (18 bombs)
~ Equip Deku Mask, backwalk to owl
~ Unequip mask, activate owl
~ Save

Segment 3:
~ Equip Deku Mask, head through the Lily Pads till land appears on the right
~ Become human and HESS to Woods of Mystery (17 bombs)
~ HESS and talk to witch (16 bombs)
~ Back to Deku and exit WoM
~ Up to Witch’s shop (Can’t timestop on nearby gossip stone or door won’t open)
~ Get Red Potion
~ Exit shop, drink red potion
~ Jump in water and catch for Spring Water
~ Bottle timestop
~ Head to Owl
~ Cancel timestop with Up-C
~ Save

Segment 4:
~ Cut nearby grass for a fairy
~ Catch fairy in bottle
~ Get deku stick from cut grass (1 stick)
~ Activate bottle timestop
~ Back to the Swamp-Termina transition screen
~ Superslide into grotto (15 bombs)
~ Use fairy
~ Catch fish in grotto
~ Activate timestop on caught bugs (saves virtually no time, but also costs no time since you already have a bottle filled, could be skipped if necessary)
~ Activate timestop after grotto
~ Collect a bomb drop from nearby grass (20 bombs)
~ To Termina Field
~ Get ISG (19 bombs)
~ Activate timestop
~ Head to "beach" section
~ Leever hover over fence
~ Enter Great Bay Coast
~ Activate timestop
~ Head to owl by observatory
~ Cancel timestop and activate owl
~ Save

Segment 5:
~ Activate timestop
~ Head towards Zora in water
~ Push him to shore
~ Roll towards him and play Ocarina + Song of Healing
~ As soon as you regain control, timestop
~ Head back to Termina Field
~ Backwalk towards wall, pulling out a bomb when closer
~ ISG off of the bomb, then hover off of it (18 bombs)
~ Chu hover (19 chus)
~ Over the fence, time stop immediately (make sure leever doesn't get you)
~ To Termina-Swamp transition screen
~ Stop time immediately on screen swap
~ To swamp
~ Stop time immediately on screen swap
~ Head to grass by owl
~ Undo timestop, slash and immediately grab deku stick that comes out (2 sticks)
~ Save

Segment 6:
~ Become Zora
~ Timestop
~ Head to Bigocto at far end of swamp, get on nearby red flower
~ Cancel timestop, Zorarang immediately to kill Bigocto
~ Timestop
~ Rush to land (near Deku Palace)
~ Enter Deku Palace
~ Timestop (not sure about this one)
~ Cancel time stop in front of guards
~ Remove Zora Mask
~ Draw and place bomb, activate ISG off of it (17 bombs)
~ Recoil jump off of bomb to pass through guards
~ Timestop
~ Head to corner in Deku Palace, you know which one
~ Cancel timestop
~ Chu hover, then backflip onto edge (18 chus)
~ Become Zora, and timestop
~ Very well angled flips to get on flower platform
~ Jump to high wall
~ Head to the end and line yourself up with high platform
~ Cancel time stop, pull out bomb, drop and ISG (16 bombs)
~ Hover to high platform (16 chus)
~ Equip Deku Mask, head into monkey chamber
~ Jump down, get Sonata
~ Upon regaining control, remove Deku Mask
~ Timestop
~ Head back to Southern Swamp
~ Equip Deku Mask
~ Cross the leaves
~ Petrie trick onto ledge
~ Timestop
~ Head to flower
~ Cancel timestop, turn into scrub
~ To Song of Soaring
~ Get in flower
~ To Woodfall
~ Switch to Zora
~ Timestop
~ Roll into grass for health (if below one heart, though 2+ is recommended)
~ Through the swamp to nearby platform
~ Run up wooden bridge, shielding and using magic to stun beetle
~ Slip by him and the next one, using the same method (hanging off the edge sometimes helps too)
~ Shield + Magic to kill scrub
~ Cancel timestop, become deku
~ Scrub across w/ flower (you can also zora long jump with a jump-fin at the end, but it is a lot harder and saves very little time, plus you need luck with the scrub)
~ Become Zora and activate timestop after landing
~ Up and kill the scrub with Magic + Shield
~ Cancel timestop, become deku
~ Deku flower over to Sonata platform
~ Humanitize and slash owl
~ Save

Segment 7:
~ SoS to Clock Town
~ Switch to Zora
~ Backwalk to WCT
~ To Termina Field
~ Become human, drop fish
~ Drop bomb, ISG off of bomb
~ Catch fish at proper time to avoid explosion (or be fast and sheild), activate timestop
~ Collect a bomb drop from grass around Termina (20 bombs) [also can fully heal]
~ Backflip through ice to Snowland
~ Activate timestop
~ Head to snowballs
~ Cancel timestop, drop and shield a chu (15 chus)
~ Timestop again
~ To Mountain Village
~ Timestop again
~ Deactivate timestop by owl, slash it and save

Segment 8:
~ Become Zora, and activate timestop
~ Head to infinite HP screen
~ Timestop again
~ To Goron Village
~ Yet another timestop
~ Across platforms to LoT Cave
~ Timestop again
~ LoT get (if you need refills on anything, you can get some from this grass)
~ Exit the cave, pull out ocarina, soar to Mountain Village
~ Save

Segment 9:
~ Activate timestop
~ Cross lake
~ Climb
~ Backwalk to Goron w/ Lens of Truth
~ Song of Healing
~ Become Goron, move gravestone
~ Song of Soaring to Mountain Village
~ Save

Segment 10:
~ Become human, timestop
~ To infinite HP screen
~ Timestop again
~ To Goron Village
~ Goron Mask
~ Roll down edge, pound it
~ Become human inside Goron shrine
~ Timestop
~ Up to baby
~ Cancel timestop, talk as Goron
~ Song of Soaring
~ Save

Segment 11:
~ Become Zora, timestop
~ To Goron Graveyard
~ Become Goron, and roll to edge of hot spring
~ Drop fish
~ Catch HSW
~ Song of Soaring to owl
~ Roll to Goron elder, thaw him, and talk twice to him
~ Song of Soaring to Clock TOwn
~ Save

Segment 12:
~ Goron roll to WCT
~ Goron roll to trading post
~ Goron roll to fish (small roll)
~ Song of Soaring to Mountain Village
~ Save

Segment 13:
~ Become Zora and timestop
~ To infinite HP screen
~ Timestop
~ To Goron Village
~ Become Goron and enter shrine
~ Tranform and timestop
~ To Goron Baby
~ Cancel timestop, become goron, play song
~ Song of Soaring to Great Bay
~ Save

Segment 14:
~ Become Zora
~ Timestop
~ Swim and "break" wood in front of PF entrance
~ Cancel timestop and enter PF
~ Get on land and timestop
~ By the Goron switch, line yourself up for hover
~ Cancel timestop, watch cutscene, ISG off of a bomb then hover across (11 chus, 19 bombs)
~ Activate timestop
~ To inner fortress
~ Switch to Zora Mask
~ To central ladder (sidehop + magic if you need to kill a gaurd)
~ Climb ladder
~ Timestop again
~ To hive room door (probably need magic to kill guards, at least I did)
~ Cancel timestop and enter
~ Goron roll to cutscene
~ Bubble on hive
~ Timestop and exit
~ To door below
~ Timestop, then to chest
~ Undo timestop, open chest for Hookshot
~ Hookshot into tank
~ Switch to Zora, sink down and drop fish
~ Catch Zora Egg and timestop off of it (saves very little time, not necesary)
~ Get to the surface of the tank, cancel timestop, and play SoS to Great Bay
~ Save

Segment 15:
~ Up and into observatory
~ Drop egg
~ SoS to clock town
~ Save

Segment 16:
~ Goron roll to WCT
~ Goron roll to trading post
~ Scarecrow's song
~ Fish
~ Song of Soaring to Woodfall
~ Save

Segment 17:
~ Become Deku
~ Play Sonata and fly to temple
~ Become human and timestop
~ Jump down, get near far side
~ Cancel timestop, hookshot up
~ Enter next room
~ Roll towards edge and hookshot torch
~ Into nearby door
~ Timestop (do not put away bottle)
~ To Bow room
~ Timestop quickly
~ Head to near where chest is, cancel timestop, and deku jumpslash to kill
~ Bow
~ Timestop, do not put away bottle
~ Cancel timestop, head through door, timestop again
~ Cancel timestop, to wooden flower room
~ Walk forward, arrow through torch to bottom flower, exit room the way you came
~ Timestop, jump to platform in the middle of the room
~ Put away bottle, cancel timestop, arrow switch
~ Switch to Deku, to BK room
~ Become human, drop bomb and ISG off of it (18 bombs)
~ Timestop, then kill Gekko phase 1 with ISG
~ Push Gekko up against bars left of boss key door
~ Cancel timestop, pull out a bomb immediately after cutscene
~ Quickly hookshot clip Gekko (should only take a few seconds) then jump slash asap
~ Grab boss key and SoS to entrance
~ Timestop, repeat room as last time (hookshot to torch)
~ Timestop in next room, onto the central flower
~ Cancel timestop, arrow through torch onto another torch
~ Timestop again (don't put away bottle), head to door, cancel timestop, continue onwards
~ Timestop again, jump to center platform, get on very, very right edge
~ Cancel timestop and hookshot torch by boss door
~ Through the boss door and activate Odolwa cutscene
~ Timestop
~ Wait until he does the summon monsters from the ceiling dance
~ Cancel timestop to watch cutscene, then ISG timestop (17 bombs)
~ Kill him, may take a while
~ Cancel timestop (can get selected refills from grass around the outside, also get HC)
~ Enter blue portal, Oath to Order and cutscenes
~ Become Goron, exit area
~ Song of Soaring to Mountain Village
~ Save

Segment 18:
~ Timestop
~ Towards snowhead
~ Timestop on next screen
~ To gap, cancel timestop and equip Goron Mask
~ Roll along the side (don't need spike roll this way)
~ Timestop again
~ Repeat for next gap
~ Timestop all the way out of this screen
~ Become Goron, play lullaby
~ Roll to owl, become human, and slash
~ Save

Segment 19:
~ Timestop
~ To ramp
~ Cancel timestop, drop bomb, retimestop (16 bombs)
~ SS up hill
~ Timestop again
~ All the way up to the temple
~ Timestop in first room
~ Quickly sidehop oob and into block before you are eaten alive by Boes
~ Cancel timestop, enter next room, become Zora
~ Timestop again (do not put bottle away), head to door to central room
~ Cancel timestop, enter door, timestop again (put bottle away)
~ Head towards iced red door, cancel timestop, scarecrow's song
~ Become human Hookshot to scarecrow, then to torch
~ Become goron, head right towards door, and charge up a roll to cross gap
~ Enter door, become human, ISG timestop (15 bombs)
~ Kill Wizrobe in timestop, cancel in front of chest
~ Fire Arrows
~ Timestop (bottle in hand), to door, exit
~ Retimestop, to slope
~ Cancel timestop, fire arrow ice blocking staircase
~ Drop bomb behind you, long jump towards ice
~ Timestop, to staircase, cancel and go up
~ Timestop again at top, jump to sideplatform (very precise)
~ Angle yourself, cancel timestop, ISG, then hover to snowball platform (14 bombs, 7 chus)
~ Goron, pound the snowballs, climb stairs
~ Spike roll across upper gap, to right corner of boss door
~ Aim, pull out bomb, and recoil flip bk skip (13 bombs)
~ Hold forward during cutscene, immediately pull out fire arrow and let go to melt ice
~ Become Zora, timestop
~ Go to spot where Goht fires lightning and doesn't hit, shield and mash b repeatedly to loes magic
~ Cancel timestop, become human, arrow Goht to oblivion
~ Refill on magic and arrows from pots, get HC and remains
~ After cutscene, immediately pull out ocarina and SoS to Great Bay
~ Save

Segment 20:
~ Become Zora
~ Activate timestop


TO BE CONTINUED

game time sucks. :p XD

If by "game time" you mean "urmom", then yes.

RingRush wrote

If by "game time" you mean "urmom", then yes.

Then he would be saying "urmom sucks :p XD".

Thank you captain obvious. you have saved the day yet again, I almost didnt get it.

AniMeowzerz wrote

Thank you captain obvious. you have saved the day yet again, I almost didnt get it.

Then you would be saying "TSDA is captain obvious"

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I hate game time but if it gets people to play MM then I say goods hit.

My route:

-Cycle 1: Get everything I'll need.

-Segment 1: SoiT asap, get out of clock-town west, gossip time stop then go get kotake's bottle as fast as possible.

-Other segments: always bottle time stop in each zone I'll visit.  :P

Good luck when you go to climb that ladder, only to find that your ability to cancel timestop is negated and you can't enter the door. The routing is a lot more complex than simply timestopping everywhere. Any time you climb a ladder or interact with A (open, grab, etc), you cannot cancel timestop. In timestop, you cannot open doors, use your sword, be deku or goron, slash with Zora fins, or use C items. People overestimate the power of timestop.

I know all of this don't worry. But every displacement of Link (not action) will be instentaneous. (it won't be that entertraining)

I say ban timestops in game time, its like using an in game timer, but the runner can stop the timer whenever. In game timers are useful only if the timer is not breakable. Pausing in brawl to let enemies load is one thing, timestops in MM are a bit more extreme.

Also let it be known, for the no irc people, that i live MM game time. Especially as an SS. A shame how similar it is to any% now, but thats what happends when you find breaks...

MrSparkle wrote

I say ban timestops in game time

I agree.

Why though? The purpose of game time is to beat the game in the lowest ammount of, well, game time. The goal is not to emulate real time: that is what the, well, real time division is for. Adding timestops makes game time a lot more unique, a lot more challenging, and truer to its goal. I repeat again - timestops are not over powered as so many think they are. Besides, pausing and catching things in bottles stops time too, does it not. and you can be pushed by a bomb just before catching something in a bottle, so that you move a tad during the catching cutscene where time doesn't run. This isn't banned. Other timestops are just this to a greater degree.

Of course game time is not to emulate real time. But if the game timer is no longer an accurate means of time keeping, whats the point of it at all? Yes time stops when yuo talk to people and equip stuff, but no 'actual gameplay' takes place with the timer stopped.

Not that matters to the logic, but how much time do you think these timestops save altogether (aka for how many game hours would the timer be stopped)?

That I don't know, which is one of the reasons I'm testing this route. I'm not sure how accurate it will be though: I'm using a lot of savestates since I'm playing on keyboard. On the other hand, some tricks like ESSes I can't do on keyboard and other tricks I didn't think of until after I got past that point (such as not ISGing on the first timestop for Odolwa, only the second).

Also, the game timer is still accurate at keeping game time. It is just as accurate as it has always been in keeping game time. If it became night while the clock still said 10 AM, that would be inaccuracy, but right now the clock represents the time perfectly. And why does it matter when "actual gameplay" takes place? Even the term "actual gameplay" is subjective.

A time stop run could be as amazing as a "old-school" one. The speedrun will be based on the battles improvements and the many time stop impossible rooms. There will be challenge too, this won't be a 6:00 am run (that is possible with the time traveler glitch :P but realy not entertraining). Plus it would surely lead to a newer speedrun route which will refresh the speedrunning activities of the game.

Usually time stopping glitches are only banned if you can get a time of 00:00 or 00:01.

time stop is flexible enough to be a legit tactic

Majora MIM wrote

A time stop run could be as amazing as a "old-school" one. The speedrun will be based on the battles improvements and the many time stop impossible rooms. There will be challenge too, this won't be a 6:00 am run (that is possible with the time traveler glitch :P but realy not entertraining). Plus it would surely lead to a newer speedrun route which will refresh the speedrunning activities of the game.

Time Traveler glitch? Never heard of it. What is that...

Well I'm not a hughe fan of using stop time in gamtime, but then again I'm not a hughe fan of gametime and using the glitch might make the route interesting again. making the goron mask worthwhile again for example.

Whats all this interesting, different, and entertainment crud? You want to turn into tasvideos, where entertainment is the goal, then speed (sometimes no speed at all)? Ban bk skips from the any%, that'd make it more interesting. Using rules to artificially make a speedrun more entertaining sounds awfully twingalaxies like...

Realistically, if routed out and done properly, this run would arrive at the clock tower with the four remains at the exact same gametime a TAS would, utilizing thousands of pause buffers (lol)

A gametime run would be entertaining as a TAS but not as a realtime run.

Who's gonna man up and pause buffer an entire run. Let's see it.

That would have to be you Jiano, considering you're the king of pause buffering

I'm so not going to watch that.

Can't you do the Hot Sexy Water trick to have infinite time?

Is there one that disables time altogether and still allows functionality? If not, then it is just a waste of time.

So, what are the exact rules now? The glitchesandstuff's reset any day is banned since it allows to finish at 6h00 am.

But we can use bottle time stops, can't we?

I'd say rules are that after the first cycle, time cannot be reset. It may be stopped or slowed down, but not reset (i.e. to 6:00 day 1).

There are some improvements necesary to this route with new tricks, I'll edit them in later. I need to get back to testing this...

Pause buffering still ruins this.

It is true....most likely a run will either be TAS only or just for youtube.