any% non-ba discussion

I decided to make a topic for this run because it doesn't get enough attention and it's just awesome like that.

Here is the current route for this, written by RingRush and edited by me:

Segment 1:
-   Intro
Segment 2:
-   Rupees(21R)
-   Kokiri Sword
Segment 3:
-   More rupees(40R)
-   Deku Shield
Segment 4:
-   Pokey escape
-   Fairy ocarina
-   WESS to kakariko
-   Cucco dive to well
Segment 5:
-   Room unloading trick
-   Single cycle Dead Hand, get 99 R chest(99R)
-   Well chus w/o lullaby or nuts(10C)
Segment 6:
-   Exit well
-   Hover over fence to Death Mountain(5C)
-   Chu and enter DC(4C)
Segment 7:
-   Chu first wall(3C)
-   Chu GJ to switch(2C)
-   Chu down staircase(1C)
-   Chu megaflip to bomb chest(20B)(0C)
Segment 8:
-   Exit DC
-   Save
Segment 9:
-   Pokey escape
-   SS to Zora’s River(19B)
-   Beans
-   Back to Hyrule Field
-   SS to GV(18B)
-   ISG+SS to gate, hover over w/ 1 bomb, head to fortress(16B)
Segment 10:
-   Superslide to gate and gate skip(15B)
-   Quicksand backwalk
-   SSes through desert(13B)
-   SS to bean patch and plant(12B)
-   Enter temple
Segment 11:
-   Requiem
Segment 12:
-   Let a bomb explode on you while backwalking out of forest(11B)
-   Pokey escape again
-   SS to castle(10B)
-   Buy Hylian Shield in Market
-   Roll into tree, get hit by GS twice, then quickly head to moat(9B)
-   Megaflip off of crate to skip Egg/Cucco(8B)
-   Courtyard (I think it will be late daytime by this point, if you do everything quickly)
-   ZL w/ cutscene skip(7B)
-   Re-enter Market
-   DoT Skip
Segment 13:
-   SS to Kakriko(6B)
-   To graveyard, bomb drops from grass(20B)
-   Hookshot, let door kill you
-   Hover or SS warp to seam(17B)
-   Shadow early
Segment 14:
-   Hookshot first gap
-   Truth spinner
-   Hover boots
Segment 15:
-   Take 2.5 hearts of damage during this segment, probably best to do 2 on bongo, .5 by a bomb during lw warp
-   To boat
-   To boss key
-   Hoverslide to skip bird statue(16B)
-   Bongo Bongo
-   Head to Death Mountain
-   Up to Magic(13B)
-   Down to GC, LW warp(12B)
-   Head to SFM
-   GJ on maze, Minuet cutscene skip(10B)
-   Save
Segment 16:
-   Play minuet
-   Enter temple
Segment 17:
-   Stalfos key
-   To bow w/ the various tricks(7B)
Segment 18:
-   Play Requiem
-   Ride bean plant
-   To Mirror Shield chest w/ hoverslides and stuff(5B)
-   Spirit Temple Boss Key Skip(0B)
-   Spirit Medallion
Segment 19:
-   Light Arrows
Segment 20:
-   To Ganon’s Castle
Segment 21:
-   Trial skip w/ staircase
Segment 22:
-   Up to dorf
-   Single cycle and stuff
-   Tower and stuff
-   SS into Ganon and stuff
-   Done and stuff

I already have a route for this, copied from RingRush's Random Routes. Glancing quickly, it looks fairly similar to yours, but more detailed:

OoT Any% No RBA/BA

Segment 1
1. Intro
2. Save

Segment 2:
1. 21R
2. Kokiri Sword
3. Save

Segment 3:
1. 29R
2. Deku Shield + Deku Stick
3. Equip items and save

Segment 4:
1. Crouch stab Forest Escape
2. Fairy Ocarina
3. Owl text skip
4. Peahat superslide to valley
5. Cucco jump
6. Save in fortress

Segment 5:
1. Child gate skip
2. Quicksand backwalk
3. Haunted wasteland
4. Save in Spirit Temple

Segment 6:
1. Nabooru
2. Armos and Keese
3. Light torch for small key chest
4. Bubble slash trick / Megaflip off Stalfos
5. Anubis room (20 rupees from Anubis)
6. Small Key
7. Save

Segment 7:
1. Up the wall
2. Hover off of lizafoes for chus
3. Save

Segment 8:
1. Exit for Requiem
2. Equip Bombchus, save

Segment 9:
1. Exit forest through Goron City (9 chus)
2. To DC
3. Blow open rock (8 chus)
4. Save

Segment 10:
1. Blow open wall (7 chus)
2. Ground jump switch (6 chus)
3. Chu stairs (5 chus)
4. Chu megaflip to bombs (4 chus)
5. Equip bombs, save

Segment 11:
1. Exit DC
2. To Kakriko
3. Superslides/ESS to entrance after dropping past stairs (19 bombs)
4. To Hyrule Field
5. Water ESS towards river
6. Enter River
7. Chu rocks (3 chus)
8. Superslide --> ESS to bean salesman (18 bombs)
9. Buy a bean
10. Equip beans instead of Deku Stick, save

Segment 12:
1. Play Requiem
2. Superslide to patch (17 bombs)
3. Plant bean
4. Save

Segment 13:
1. ESS to forest exit (16 bombs)
2. Crouch stab escape
3. Superslide to market (15 bombs) [Not sure if it will be day or not]
4. 2 hearts of damage from GS
5. To Castle w/ supaslidin' (14 bombs)
6. Chu boost past moat (2 chus)
7. To Zelda's room
8. Lullaby cutscene skip (13 bombs)
9. To Temple of Time
10. DoT Skip
11. Save

Segment 14:
1. To Kakriko w/ SS+ESS (12 bombs)
2. To graveyard
3. Bomb drop from grass (17 bombs)
4. Hylian Shield + Hookshot
5. Pause, equip hylian shield, Cs should be Hookshot, Bombs, and Bombchu
6. Shadow early w/ house hover 1 bombs+2 chu (16 bombs, 0 chu)
7. Save

Segment 15:
1. Hookshot first gap
2. To Dead Hand
3. Hover Boots
4. Save, equipping Hover Boots, Cs should be Hookshot, Bombs, and Fairy Ocarina

Segment 16:
1. Hover backwalk past first gap
2. To scythe room
3. Down and out w/ acute angle
4. Onto the boat
5. Start the boat w/ ZL
6. To boss key, redead clip
7. Superslide hover across the gap (15 bombs)
8. To Bongo Bongo
9. Shadow Medallion
10. Up Death Mountain, save in DC

Segment 17:
1. DM seam trick + Superslide (14 bombs)
2. Magic (13 bombs)
3. To Goron City
4. Warp to LW
5. Bomb drop from plants (18 bombs)
5. To Mido
6. Mido Skip
7. ESS to SFM (17 bombs)
8. GJ on top of maze (16 bombs)
9. Minuet w/ death cutscene skip (15 bombs)
10. Save

Segment 18:
1. Play Minuet
2. Hookshot to Forest Temple
3. Save

Segment 19:
1. Key outside
2. Stalfos key
3. OoB and mega jump to block room (14 bombs)
4. Block room trix (11 bombs)
5. Fairy bow and quiver
6. Save

Segment 20:
1. Play Requiem
2. SS to bean plant (10 bombs)
3. To rock
4. SS w/ hovers to Spirit Temple (9 bombs)
5. Carefully head left
6. Hookshot to Silver Gauntlets chest
7. SS w/ hovers to other side (8 bombs)
8. Trigger and get Mirror Shield chest
9. Unequip hovers, equip Mirror Shield
10. Mirror Shield small key
11. To and through Anubis and Beamos room (7 bombs)
12. Up the statue (6 bomb)
13. Hookshot clip face
14. BK skip (3 bombs)
15. Twinrova (use ISG to help) (2 bombs)
16. Save

Segment 21:
1. Light Arrows
2. To Ganon's Castle w/ one SS (1 bomb)
3. Save, Cs should be Hookshot, Bombs, Light Arrows

Segment 22:
1. Blow up beamos for bomb drop (5 bombs)
2. Trial skip w/ bomb hover (3 bombs)
3. Save

Segment 23:
1. Up to Dorf, using one SS on long stairs (2 bombs)
3. Single cycle dorf (use ISG for help) (1 bomb)
4. Down the castle
5. SS to keep master sword (0 bombs)
6. Ganon
7. Win





Alternate ending, since that Spirit segment may be just too hard:

Segment 20:
1. Play Requiem
2. SS to bean plant (10 bombs)
3. To rock
4. SS w/ hovers to Spirit Temple (9 bombs)
5. Carefully head left
6. Hookshot to Silver Gauntlets chest
7. SS w/ hovers to other side (8 bombs)
8. Trigger and get Mirror Shield chest
9. Unequip hovers, equip Mirror Shield
10. Mirror Shield small key
11. Through the locked Anubis/Beamos room door
12. Up wall to boss key
13. Through fire and flames grab boss key
14. To the mirror room
15. Blow up the rock wall in the maze and shine light (7 bombs)
16. Destroy face
17. Hookshot to face
18. Iron Knuckle and Twinrova (use ISG on Twinrova) (6 bombs)

Segment 21:
1. Light Arrows
2. To Ganon's Castle w/ one SS (5 bombs)
3. Save, Cs should be Hookshot, Bombs, Light Arrows

Segment 22:
1. Trial skip w/ bomb hover (3 bombs)
2. Save

Segment 23:
1. Up to Dorf, using one SS on long stairs (2 bombs)
3. Single cycle dorf (use ISG for help) (1 bomb)
4. Down the castle
5. SS to keep master sword (0 bombs)
6. Ganon
7. Win

I decided to come up with a SS equivalent of this:

-Watch intro
-Collect 9 rupees (R 09)
-Enter tunnel
-Collect 2 green rupees in grass (R 11)
-Collect blue rupee next to you (R 16)
-Get sword
-Go near entrance and get blue rupee (R 21)
-Equip sword and exit tunnel
-Cut sign and grass for rupees (R 26)
-Get blue rupee behind house (R 31)
-Get blue rupee over platforms (R 36)
-Grab blue rupee in shop (R 41)
-Buy Deku Shield (R 01)
-Pokey forest escape
-Backwalk to castle
-Get 40 rupees from chains (R 41)
-Go in Bazaar, buy 10 deku nuts (R 11)
-Egg and Cucco
-Talon
-Sidehop past guards in courtyard (R-R-R-RUN BREAKER)
-ZL
-Backwalk to Kakariko
-Get ISG off cucco
-Enter BotW
-Drain water
-Skulltula vine clip
-Get Chus (C 10)
-Exit BotW, getting sticks on the way out
-Show letter to guard
-Equip chus
-Enter Dodongo's Cavern (C 09)
-Bomb wall (C 08)
-GJ to switch (C 07)
-Bombchu staircase (C 06)
-Hit switch in next room, using deku nuts on fire keese
-Megaflip to bomb chest (C 05 or less)
-Exit DC
-Scale DMT and get magic
-Ride owl to Kakariko
-To Graveyard
-If night, get Hylian Shield from grave
-Shadow Early from house hover
-Megaflip gap
-Get hover boots
-Deathwarp out of Shadow
-To ToT
-DoT Skip
-Master sword
-Reverse DoT skip
-Backwalk to Kakariko
-Get hookshot and OoB warp out
-Shadow Early from house hover
-Hookshot gap
-Skull of Truth
-To spinning scythe room
-5 silver rupees and key
-Block skip
-Jump to boat wheel and play ZL
-Get boss key
-Superslide hover across gap
-Bongo Bongo ISG kill
-Get Shadow Medallion
-If low on bombs, get some from the bushes
-Superslide to Kokiri Forest
-Go to lost woods
-Mido skip
-GJ onto SFM maze
-Minuet
-Enter FT
-First room key and Stalfos key (use ISG on stalfos)
-Get OoB in main room to get to unloaded courtyard
-Exit and reenter courtyard to load it
-Megajump to Balcony
-Block room skip
-Get Fairy Bow
-Deathwarp out of Forest Temple
-Exit SFM and Kokiri
-Superslide to Gerudo Valley
-Superslide Hover across bridge
-Adult Gate Skip
-Cross Wasteland
-Enter Spirit
-Silver Block Skip
-Hookshot crystal switch
-Enter rolling rock room and get 5 silver rupees for key
-Return to crystal switch room and enter locked door
-Light sun panel and go to next room
-Play ZL on the hand to make treasure chest appear
-Go onto child side stairs and hookshot to chest
-Get back to adult side and enter locked door at the top
-Kill Beamos and Anubis
-Fight Iron Knuckle for mirror shield
-Get key by lighting sun panel
-Return to anubis room and enter locked door
-Hookshot halfway up and climb the rest of the way
-Get BK
-Solve mirror room puzzle and melt the statue's face
-Nabooru and Twinrova
-Get Spirit Medallion
-Play Minuet
-Exit Kokiri Forest
-Superslide to castle
-Enter ToT for light arrows
-Go to Ganon's Castle
-Bomb hover trials skip
-Scale tower (use ISG on stalfos)
-Kill Ganondorf using ISG to help
-Escape (use ISG on stalfos)
-Superslide into ganon cutscene
-Kill Ganon (use ISG to help)
-Go take a nap

Edited the SS route to include ISG methods of killing stalfos, dorf, and ganon.

With the new well chus, this route changes quite a bit. Here is a semi-skeleton route I made for it. I did not include bomb counts, bomb drops, or all the superslides. A lot of this depends on whether you can make it to the Courtyard before night...I'm pretty sure you can.


Segment 1:
- Intro
Segment 2:
- Rupees
- Kokiri Sword
Segment 3:
- More rupees
- Deku Shield + Deku Stick
Segment 4:
- Pokey escape
- Fairy ocarina
- Owl skip
- To Kakriko Village + HESS
- Cucco dive to well
Segment 5:
- Room unloading trick
- Single cycle Dead Hand, get 99 R chest
- Well chus w/o lullaby or nuts
Segment 6:
- Exit well
- Hover over fence to Death Mountain (5 chus)
- Chu and enter DC (4 chus)
Segment 7:
- Chu first wall (3 chus)
- Chu GJ to switch (2 chus)
- Chu down staircase  (1 chu)
- Chu megaflip to bomb chest (0 chus, 20 bombs)
Segment 8:
- Exit DC
- Save
Segment 9:
- Pokey escape
- SS to Zora’s River
- Beans
- Back to Hyrule Field
- SS to GV
- Swordslide to gate, hover over w/ 1 bomb, head to fortress
Segment 10:
- Bridge skip
- Quicksand backwalk
- SSes through desert
- SS to bean patch and plant
- Enter temple
Segment 11:
- Requiem
Segment 12:
- Let a bomb explode on you while backwalking out of forest
- Pokey escape again
- SS to castle
- Buy Hylian Shield in Market
- Roll into tree, get hit by GS twice, then quickly head to moat
- Megaflip off of crate to skip Egg/Cucco
- Courtyard (I think it will be late daytime by this point, if you do everything quickly)
- ZL w/ cutscene skip
- Re-enter Market
- DoT Skip
Segment 13:
- SS to Kakriko
- To graveyard, bomb drops from grass
- Hookshot, let door kill you
- Hover or SS warp to seam
- Shadow early
Segment 14:
- Hookshot first gap
- Truth spinner
- Hover boots
Segment 15:
- Take 2.5 hearts of damage during this segment, probably best to do 2 on bongo, .5 by a bomb during lw warp
- To boat
- To boss key
- Hoverslide to skip bird statue
- Bongo Bongo
- Head to Death Mountain
- Up to Magic
- Down to GC, LW warp
- Head to SFM
- GJ on maze, Minuet cutscene skip
- Save
Segment 16:
- Play minuet
- Enter temple
Segment 17:
- Stalfos key
- To bow w/ the various tricks
Segment 18:
- Play Requiem
- Ride bean plant
- To Mirror Shield chest w/ hoverslides and stuff
- Spirit Temple as usual or, if you are pro, hookshot clip face and BK skip
- Spirit Medallion
Segment 19:
- Light Arrows
Segment 20:
- To Ganon’s Castle
Segment 21:
- Trial skip w/ staircase
Segment 22:
- Up to dorf
- Single cycle and stuff
- Tower and stuff
- SS into Ganon and stuff
- Done and stuff

BEHOLD! The single segment equivalent of that route:

-Intro
-Sword
-Shield
-Escape
-To Kakariko
-BotW Chus without nuts or lullaby
-To Graveyard
-Shadow early chuslide teleport (9 chus)
-Megaflip gap (8 chus)
-Dead Hand
-Hover boots and deathwarp (7 chus)
-Exit Kakariko
-To castle before night
-Hylian shield from shop
-Take 2 hearts of damage from GS
-Damage boost to courtyard
-ZL CS skip
-Re-enter market
-DoT skip
-Adult
-Reverse DoT Skip
-To Kakariko
-Up DMT to DC
-Chu first wall (6 chus)
-Hit switch
-Chu staircase (5 chus)
-To bomb bag
-Exit DC
-To graveyard for hookshot
-Shadow early again
-Backwalk hover first gap
-Bird statue
-Block skip
-Ride boat
-Boss Key
-Hoverslide gap
-Bongo (may want to get HC just in case)
-HESS to LW (if failed just superslide there)
-One bomb hover off bridge
-To SFM
-Minuet CS skip
-Play Minuet and enter forest temple
-Key from first room
-Stalfos key
-OoB clip to courtyard, exit and re-enter to load completely
-Megajump to balcony
-Block room tricks
-Get bow
-Deathwarp out of forest temple
-To HF
-Superslide to GV
-Hoverslide over bridge
-Get caught by guards
-Gate skip (superslide hover or old-school gate skip since you don't have hammer)
-Cross HW
-Enter Spirit Temple
-Block skip
-Key from silver rupees room
-To main room
-ZL key
-Anubis room
-To Mirror Shield
-Normal spirit temple or hookshot clip if you're pro
-Twinrova (may want to get HC)
-Play minuet
-Go to ToT
-Light arrows
-Ganon's Castle
-Trials skip
-Up tower
-Dorf
-Escape
-Ganon (superslide into CS and hold R to keep sword)
-Donegames

Im thinking about doing this run. has anyone made one before? is anyone currently working on one?

No, I don't think anybody is, but there isn't a category for this on SDA so yours won't be put there. I like this category myself, as I feel RBA ruined this game's speedruns.

The closest thing to it was Manocheese's back in 2007 before DoT skip was discovered. His route is fairly similar with the exception of completing the three child dungeons.

Don't forget Runnerguy's 10 minute improvement that he never submitted. :P

SDA may not accept this category, but ZSR sure does :)

I've always liked any% no-rba too... might decide compete with you Bonooru.

well aleckermit im not sure if i will be much competition but i welcome the challenge. i guess that i better get started.

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crap... and here i wanted to start with an inconspicuous run to get my feet wet with speedrunning. is anyone else going to join in? If so I welcome the chance to lose to you.

Updated the route. I may do this as a casual-ish run for ZSR in the near future.