100% SS route

Haha okay I'll see what I can do about verifying/tweaking the route. Might even start from scratch if that would be advisable. I noticed that with the eyedrop timer, also I think something was going on during another timer, but more importantly, why are we getting Biggoron's sword?

Though I love the Biggoron's sword, and it's included in what I think of as 100% completion, we're going by Radix's definition on this, and the sword isn't included. Neither is the goron bracelet so that might help. It does, however, say "all... scale... upgrades" so would skipping the silver scale be out of the question? And I'm not sure if "all arrow upgrades" means magic arrows as well because the rest of those in the context were just capacity.

Also, is deathwarping okay? It's done in the TAS and I've seen it in other SS but I thought it was banned. Maybe that was just save warping. If deathwarping IS allowed, I'd like to consider doing spirit for the early chus, then we can go to the well after jjb and only have to do that once. I'm not sure. I think I'll have to do several test-pseudo-TASes to see what's all faster.

Deathwarping is allowed but it wont get you out of the desert.  However, SDA will be allowing savewarps soon so you can just do that.  Savewarping would probably impact the route a lot so it should be rewritten from scratch.

Biggorons sword is not specifically listed in the 100% definition but all swords/boots/tunics/shields is.  About the silver scale/goron bracelet thing, you're only required the max upgrade so they can be skipped.

ZFG wrote

Deathwarping is allowed but it wont get you out of the desert.  However, SDA will be allowing savewarps soon so you can just do that.  Savewarping would probably impact the route a lot so it should be rewritten from scratch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7WS5v1AOMo#t=28m0s
I just rewatched that and noticed he saves and selects not to keep playing. So all he really did is a savewarp, but he used death to reset since mupen doesn't have an actual reset feature. I had been thinking it was a deathwarp.
But thanks for that info, I'll definitely take savewarps into consideration in the new route. Makes spirit early so much easier. Plus, I won't have to get FW until adult, so I can do JJB before bombs! YES!!! :)

Biggorons sword is not specifically listed in the 100% definition but all swords/boots/tunics/shields is.  About the silver scale/goron bracelet thing, you're only required the max upgrade so they can be skipped.
[/quote]Oh okay. Serves me right for trusting the wiki. ("noticable absent... biggoron's sword... zora tunic...")

Edit: I'm not sure why I'm so excited about doing JJB first. haha
I'll take a look at the route that's being used for the segmented run and figure out what I can't do in a SS.

Made a new 100% SS route using early adult and giants knife adult dot skip to do dc and deku as adult, and also allows prelude for the mask quest.  Its pretty pro

sword shield
wess to kak
half cuccos
botw
deku stick
key
gs in likelike room (gs 1) and hylian shield
get deku shield chest since it was sucked up/burned
actor glitch
lot
well shoes
finish cucco bottle
to castle
gs in guard house (gs 2)
castle
tree gs with damage to 1 heart(gs 3)
wake talon
damage boost skipping boxes (also 1/2 heart)
zeldas letter
lully cs skip
dot skip
adult
savewarp

to kak
egg
dampe
hookshot and hp (hp 1)
shadow early with chus (we should find a setup for chuslide.  with chuslide shadow before hookshot may be faster)
hover boots
leave shadow
suns song
suns song grave hp (hp 2)
to kak (night)
get gs on impas house (gs 4)
hp inside cow room in impas house (hp 3)
to dm
gs behind bombable wall with chu (gs 5)
to dc
blow first wall with chu
hover boots trick to the right and hit switch
chu stairs
switch in armos room
across bridge
to bomb bag
hit rising pillar switch
light eyes
down to lower right path
bomb wall (maybe chu if we have spare)
bomb wall to gs room to the right (gs 6)
hover to gs that usually needs scarecrows (gs 7)
main room
ride pillar
backwards to stairs room
get 2 gs in here (gs 9)
main room
in dodongo head (ss to it?)
get gs in the very back room (gs 10)
maybe get bomb drop in pot
bottle switch trick to kd
kd + hc
kak
wake talon
get cojiro
adults wallet
get 200r from grotto
to dm again
to goron city
goron tunic (can be put off to do buying trick in adult 2)
giants knife
to dmc
if low on health, bolero cs skip then hp, hp before bolero if near full health (hp 4)
back to goron city
lw warp
to sfm
get gs to the side (gs 11)
minuet cs skip
enter forest
key + gs in first room (gs 12)
bottle trick in main room and get basement gs (gs 13)
go back up
gs on the wall near bk skip (gs 14)
stalfos key
oob reload left courtyard
megajump
gs to the right (gs 15)
climb up block room
bow
sw/dw
gs in right courtyard (gs 16)
bk skip
pg 1 cycle with gk + hc + medallion
ss into deku
kill baba for deku nuts
hookshot up vines
slingshot (pause buffer text skip in ss?)
hookshot to top
gs in compass room (gs 17)
break web
2 gs in basement (gs 19)
get on chest near torch and burn web to gohma and web to side room with bow
continue around deku normally to bombable wall and gs (gs 20)(use bow for lighting torches)
go back to main basement room or sw
to gohma
hc and emerald
play suns song
gs on house to the left (gs 21)
get bomb drops from grass if necessary
to lw
trade for odd mush
to goron city
gs on platform (gs 22)
out to dm
gs behind red rock near dc (gs 23)
hp above dc (hp 5)
to kak
get odd potion
to windmill
sos and hp (hp 6)
savewarp

gk clip adult dot skip
prelude
child
savewarp

leave kokiri
ss to kak
give letter to guard (gate will be open but still need to activate keaton)
to dm
gs in soil near dc (gs 24)
climb dm to magic
enter dmc
gs in box (gs 25)
*if low on bombs, theres a 20 bomb chest in the grotto under the rock to the right of the entrance*
hp from climbable wall alcove (hp 7)
megaflip to double magic
enter goron city
light torches to spin pot
hp from pot (hp 8 )
gs from rock maze (gs 26) and get 2 50r chests near gs
bomb bag upgrade from rolling goron
prelude
get keaton mask from mask shop
bolero
gs from soil (gs 27)(this can be moved near any other warp, i just didnt want to renumber the whole thing again)
savewarp

leave kokiri
ss to lh
hp from grotto (hp 9)
lh
gs from soil (gs 28)
gs from behind house (gs 29)
superswim to gs on fire arrow platform (gs 30)
superswim to pond
gold scale + hp (hp 10)
superswim to rutos letter
set scarecrows song
hp for diving in lab (hp 11)
dive to zd
give kz letter
to jabu
normal jabu path 4 gs + boomerang (gs 34)
hc + sapphire
suns song
gs on wall from log (gs 35)
gs from tree near fw (gs 36)
fw
back to zd
light torches for hp near waterfall (hp 12)
to zoras river
gs on ladder (gs 37)
hp from ledge (hp 13)
halfway down zr play zl, suns and sos for frogs (hp 14)
hp from higher ledge (hp 15)
buy 2 beans from bean salesman
gs from tree (gs 38)
to kak
give keaton to guard
prelude
get skull mask
bowling for hp or bomb bag (only 1)
slingshot game for upgrade
to castle
dins fire
gs in sos hole (gs 39)
savewarp

soil gs near shop (gs 40)
get gs on side of know it all bros house (gs 41)
exit kokiri
ss to gv area in hf
get gs in grotto near gv (gs 42)
tp gv
gs on wall (gs 43)
cucco to hp box (hp 16)
gs from soil at bottom (gs 44)
hp behind waterfall (hp 17)
oob back to top
cucco jump
fortress
gtg
ice arrows and extra chus
haunted wasteland
gs in shelter (gs 45)
to colossus
gs from soil (gs 46) and plant bean
enter and exit for requiem
enter again
talk to nabooru
gs on gate in right room (gs 47)
minuet
sarias song
leave sfm to lw
gj to skip owl and go left (nut upgrade gotten as adult)
to forest stage
skull mask deku stick upgrade
gs in soil (gs 48) and plant bean
leave lw and reenter
go to right
get slingshot upgrade
2 skull kid ocarina playing for hp (hp 18)
go to right of lw entrance and teach skull kid sarias song (hp 19)
sell skull mask
gs from soil in left room (gs 49)
business scrub and get deku stick upgrade
prelude
get spooky mask
exit market
swim to land (bridge is up)
gs in hole under tree going to kak (gs 50)
to kak, enter right as it turns night
tree gs, bazaar gs, ladder gs (use isg), hp from roof guy (hp 20)construction gs, skulltula house gs (55 gs)
enter house of gs get rewards (hp 21)
to graveyard
dampes super special fun happy time gravedigging game (hp 22)
soil gs (gs 56)
hover to box on ledge and get hp (hp 23)(can move to after shadow with longshot)
gs on wall (gs 57)
suns song
sell spooky mask
kak
cucco dive to well
2 keys and 2 gs (gs 59)
exit well
exit kak
ss to oot cutscene
oot + sot
get bunny hood
exit castle
make it night
ss to lonely tree grotto to the right (hp 24)
sell bunny hood
ss to llr
4 gs (gs 63)
hp in shack (hp 25)
eponas song
milk bottle
prelude
get mask of truth
bowling for bomb bag/hp (hp 26)
treasure chest game (hp 27)
richard hp (hp 28)
buy blue fire maybe?
minuet
backtrack to forest stage and get nut upgrade
take lw warp to zr
finish frog songs (hp 29)
prelude
dot skip again
adult

minuet
exit sfm to lw
deku nut upgrade under rock
gs from forest stage bean (gs 64)
trade odd potion for saw
megaflip to bridge and go out to hf
ss to lon lon
steal epona over gate closest to gv
get the 2 big poes near gv
to gv
trade saw for broken sword
2 gs on walls in gv (gs 66)
to gf
gerudo card
gs on fortress wall (gs 67)
hp chest (hp 30)
gerudo archery for hp and quiver (hp 31)
gs on far archery target (gs 68)
bolero
trade broken sword for prescription
down the wall and get gs behind red rock (gs 69)
savewarp/prelude

deliver 2 poes
to zr and get 2 poes on the way
get 2 gs up the river (gs 71)
zd
zf
ice cavern
3 gs 1 hp (gs 74) (hp 32)
serenade and iron boots
exit ice cavern
hover to oob area and get gs w/o silver gaunts (gs 75)
hp on iceberg (hp 33)
hp at bottom of fountain (hp 34)
back to zd
unfreeze kz for eyeball frog and zora tunic
gs on side of waterfall (gs 76)
oob to lh
scarecrows song
use scarecrows to get hp on top of lab (hp 35)
enter lab
get gs in crate at bottom of water (gs 77)
get eyedrops
bolero trick to deliver eyedrops
bgs
serenade
water temple
5 gs (gs 82)
longshot
morpha hc medallion
gs on tree (gs 83)
fire arrows
bolero
fire temple
5 gs (gs 88)
hammer
volvagia hc medallion
requiem
enter spirit
gs on adult side behind sot block + key (gs 89)
exit spirit
send chu straight forward to kill 000 skulltulas
collect both gs (gs 91)
get nl
ss back to spirit
ride bean
get hp (hp 36)
ss to seam
longshot silver gaunts chest
get gs on top of child side (gs 92)
ss to mirror shield
regular path up to lowering mirror platform
gs on far left wall (gs 93)
gs on child side room with chu chest (gs 94)
twinrova hc medallion
savewarp/prelude
drop off 2 poes
get 2/3 poes in hf then go to kak
nocturne
quiver upgrade from shooting gallery
nocturne
shadow
5 gs (gs 99)
ice arrows on bongo
hc + medallion
savewarp/prelude
light arrows
drop off poes
finish poes
ganons castle gs (gs 100)
double defense
castle
gold gaunts
tower
winnar

I think a similar route can by used for seg'd too.

ss with a savewarp?????????????????????????????????

Kaztalek wrote

ss with a savewarp?????????????????????????????????

savewarp/prelude in one spot.

I assume you can just replace the savewarps with walking.

aleckermit wrote

savewarp/prelude in one spot.

I assume you can just replace the savewarps with walking.

good luck with reverse dot skip

ZFG should make a route for single segment. 100% RTA is pointless.

ZFG wrote

Made a new 100% SS route no one will ever run.

Fixed.

Pokey wrote

ZFG should make a route for single segment. 100% RTA is pointless.

lol

Runnerguy2489 wrote

ZFG wrote

Made a new 100% SS route no one will ever run.

Fixed.

Implying the main purpose of this route was to get a 100% SS done and not a skeleton for a new 100% segd route.

SS honestly shouldn't exist imo; RTA is exactly the same thing without dumb radix rules. Really I think RTA should just replace SS on SDA and still be called SS.

I've never hit a Steven before.