Official Low% MST Discussion Thread

Warning: This route is pretty outdated and it is not recommended that you follow this. Talk to elminster for a more recent route, as one isn't written up yet.

Current route as of 6/7/10:
NOTE: Due to uncertainty in day/night cycles when actually running, this route may need to be edited slightly in order to have time-specific events work out, such as entering the Market.

Also, keep in mind that this is not the absolute fastest route. It sacrifices some time in order to skip 3 of the hardest tricks in the run (and as a consequence a few sessions of chu bowling).

Furthermore, as this route has not been tested, it is a good idea to skip some extra chu uses as adult when possible (poe ss warp to shadow temple, etc), just in case I forgot something.

Low% MST route v6.1
By RingRush

Segment 1:
1. Intro
2. Save

Segment 2:
1. 21R
2. Kokiri Sword
3. Save

Segment 3:
1. 19R
2. Deku Shield
3. Equip items
4. Save in tree

Segment 4:
1. Grab a deku nut
2. Break floor web
3. Skulltula clip
4. To Gohma
5. Show her your nuts for the Kokiri Emerald

Segment 5:
1. Nut hover forest escape
2. To Kakriko w/ WESS
3. Collect first half of cuccos
4. Cucco dive to well and save

Segment 6:
1. Key behind illusory wall in main room
2. Crawl through northeast crawlspace
3. Perform actor replacement glitch with locked door
4. Defeat Dead Hand, get rupee chest
5. Vine clip with Skulltula
6. Swim to chu chest (10 chus)
7. Save

Segment 7:
1. Collect rest of cuccos and get bottle
2. Catch bugs, duping bottle over nuts
3. Save

Segment 8:
1. Megaflip forest escape (9 chus)
2. To Gerudo Valley w/ Peahat SS
3. Cucco jump
4. Up to archery range
5. Seamwalk and floaty sidehop down
6. Enter training grounds
7. Save

Segment 9:
1. Kill enemies in right room (8 chus)
2. Head to chu chest on left (13 chus)
3. Save

Segment 10:
1. Exit GTG
2. Save

Segment 11:
1. Exit via Goron City (12 chus)
2. Chu and enter DC (11 chus)
3. Save

Segment 12:
1. Chu the wall inside (10 chus)
2. Chu both eyes (8 chus)
3. Enter mouth and OI switch
4. Chu the floor above KD (7 chus)
5. Three cycle KD w/ chus (1 chu)
6. Re-enter DC and save

Segment 13:
1. To the market [get down to 1 heart if you have to wait for daytime]
2. Chu bowl thrice (31 chus)
3. Up towards the castle, getting damaged twice by GS
4. Chu boost to skip egg/cucco (30 chus)
5. Zelda's Lullaby w/ Cutscene Skip (29 chus)
6. Save

Segment 14:
1. Chu megaflip to bridge (28 chus)
2. Peahat SS to Lake Hylia
3. Acute angle observatory
4. Enter Water Temple from OoB
5. Save

Segment 15:
1. Tektite hover + three distance sideflips (25 chus)
2. Fairy from pot in Cucco bottle
3. Boss key skip (20 chus)
4. Morpha with jump slashes
5. Water Medallion
6. OoB with observatory again
7. Enter Zora’s Domain via warp
8. Chu megasidehop clip to skip KZ (19 chus)
9. Jabu-Jabu without fish
10. Save

Segment 16:
1. Chu the first switch (18 chus)
2. Ruto to hit other slingshot switch
3. To Boomerang
4. Save

Segment 17:
1. Chu megaflip + OI for huge shortcut (17 chus)
2. Chu switch in jellyfish room (16 chus)
3. Barinade
4. Zora's Sapphire cutscene
5. Save

Segment 18:
1. To Lost Woods
2. Exit via Goron City warp
3. Up to magic (14 chus)
4. Owl down mountain
5. To Market
6. Chu bowl twice (34 chus)
7. To Castle
8. Din’s Fire (33 chus)
9. Save

Segment 19:
1. Megaflip to bridge (32 chus)
2. Peahat SS to Gerudo Valley
3. Cucco jump
4. Save in fortress

Segment 20:
1. Child bridge skip
2. Quicksand backwalk
3. Wasteland w/o lens
4. To Spirit Temple
5. Enter and save

Segment 21:
1. Nabooru and crawl through hole
2. Kill enemies (use boomerang + jslash for armos)
3. Light torches in key room with Din’s Fire
4. Boomerang crystal switch in Stalfos room
5. Continue to small key
6. Save

Segment 22:
1. To locked door on child side
2. Climb skulltula wall (use a chu to kill the upper skulltula to make it easier) (31 chus)
3. Chu crystal switch (do not open chest) (30 chus)
4. Blow up rock to shine light (29 chus)
5. To statue room
6. Hover across (26 chus)
7. Lullaby on hand
8. Get small key then hover back to adult side again (23 chus)
9. Beamos and Anubis room (22 chus)
10. Switch, IK, Mirror Shield
11. Save

Segment 23:
1. Megaflip forest escape (21 chus)
2. To Market
3. Chu bowl thrice (50 chus)
4. DoT skip
5. Master Sword and Light Medallion
6. Save

Segment 24:
1. To castle grounds
2. Activate ISG off of Navi
3. Hover to Ganon’s Castle (42 chus)
4. Save

Segment 25:
1. Head to Shadow Trial
2. ISG off of Bubble
3. Sideflip hovers to platform where GG chest will spawn (28 chus)
4. Head across invisible platforms, DF torches and jump to switch
5. Gold Gauntlets
6. Save

Segment 26:
1. Head to Spirit Trial
2. Silver rupee room
3. Get chu chest (48 chus)
4. Save

Segment 27:
1. To Light Trial
2. Get keys, OI ZL
3. Save

Segment 28:
1. Exit castle
2. Save

Segment 29:
1. Head to field
2. Go to Forest Temple
3. Minuet of Forest
4. Hover to Forest Temple (40 chus)
5. Save

Segment 30:
1. Small key outside
2. Save

Segment 31:
1. Small key from Stalfos
2. Up the block room a bit, jump to ledge
3. Kill floormaster for small key
4. Back to silver block room
5. Push blocks to ascend it
6. Get bow
7. Save

Segment 32:
1. Backflip boss key skip
2. Phantom Ganon
3. Forest Medallion
4. Save

Segment 33:
1. To Kakariko Graveyard
2. Shadow early with chu superslide warp (39 chus)
3. Save

Segment 34:
1. Megaflip gap (38 chus)
2. Bird statue
3. Another megaflip (37 chus)
4. To the spinning scythe room
5. Jumpslash SB and jump to boat wheel
6. ZL to start boat
7. Arrow the pillar
8. Get the Boss Key
9. Go to Bongo Bongo (36 chus)
10. Shadow Medallion
11. Up Death Mountain
12. Megaflip to Fire Temple (35 chus)
13. Save

Segment 35:
1. Darunia
2. Key
3. Fairy in Deku Nut bottle
4. Save

Segment 36:
1. Continue through dungeon till block rise [will need revivals here] (33 chus)
2. Mad hops to above crystal switch
3. Push block and use bow on crystal switch
4. Continue to stone maze, grab small keys
5. Continue to upper level, getting more small keys (32 chus)
6. To firewall maze
7. Blow open fake door before sub-boss (31 chus)
8. Flare Dancer
9. Up to Megaton Hammer
10. Save

Segment 37:
1. Hammer blocks
2. Beat up Flare Dancer
3. Boss Key
4. Save

Segment 38:
1. Refill on fairies from pot
2. Volvagia
3. Fire Medallion
4. Save

Segment 39:
1. To Gerudo Valley
2. Megaflip bridge with ISG (30 chus)
3. Save in fortress

Segment 40:
1. To the wall (29 chus)
2. Damage boost jumpslash (28 chus)
3. Adult Gate skip (27 chus)
4. Wasteland
5. Enter Spirit Temple and save

Segment 41:
1. Silver block pushing w/ GGs
2. Bow on Crystal switch
3. Silver rupee room
4. To the statue room
5. To child side, get 10 chu chest (37 chus)
6. Hover back to adults side (34 chus)
7. Up towards mirror chest
8. Small key from shining light
9. To boss key
10. To the mirror room
11. Blow up the rock wall in the maze and shine light on the big mirror (33 chus)
12. Magic ISG trick
13. Destroy the face
14. Make sure the magic landed on the platform and activate ISG from it
15. Hover to boss door (27 chus)
16. Iron Knuckle and Twinrova
17. Spirit Medallion
18. Save

Segment 42:
1. Light Arrows
2. Save

Segment 43:
1. To Ganon’s Castle
2. Save

Segment 44:
1. To Spirit Trial
2. Chu the switch (26 chus)
3. Burn the web w/ arrow through torch
4. Destroy the Spirit Barrier
5. To Forest Trial
6. Light torches with Din’s Fire
7. Rupee room w/o hovers (25 chus)
8. Destroy Forest barrier
9. To Water Trial
10. Bottle of blue flame
11. Melt first ice
12. Bow clip trick to skip puzzle room
13. Destroy Water barrier
14. Go to secret room and bottle 2 fairies
15. To Shadow Trial
16. Hover back to GG chest (11 chus)
17. Finish it up with megaflips and Megaton Hammer (9 chu)
18. Save

Segment 45:
1. To Fire Trial (will have to use some more revivals here)
2. Get rupees and set up death near torch slug
3. Hover to end (1 chu)
4. Destroy Fire barrier
5. To Light Trial
6. Silver rupees (0 chus)
7. Destroy Light barrier
8. To Upper Ganon’s Castle
9. Save

Segment 46:
1. Up the tower
2. Single cycle ‘dorf
3. Crumbling escape
4. Megaton or Bow first phase
5. Master Sword
6. .done

27 items

Koriki Sword, Deku Shield, Bombchu, Master Sword, Mirror Shield, Zelda's Letter, Zelda's Lullaby, Magic and Light Arrows: Same as low%

Cucco Bottle: OIing, Fire Temple, Fire Trial, Water Trial
Bow and Quiver: Need ammo for light arrows
Deku Nut: Gohma, something to dupe a bottle over
Boomerang: Barinade
Din’s Fire: Forest Trial
Megaton Hammer: Volvagia, Shadow Trial, Water Trial
Gold Gauntlets: Fire Trial, Entering Light Trial without bombs
Minuet of Forest: Currently unskippable in MST
6 Medallions and 3 Stones: Needed for MST

Rupee route not included, probably most rupees will be obtained from chains.

Oh RingRush, you and your silly routes.

Hey, low% MST was a category before I even started glitching zelda. Even if it isn't SDA official, a lot of people consider it a legitimate division.

low% MST sounds fun but would never be on SDA until they solve their banwidth issues. archive.org and youtube would appreciate the run, tough...

I might try this some day just for fun :)

Low% MST SS is the best run because it uses Faster Gate Skip  ;D

Pokey wrote

Low% MST SS is the best run because it uses Faster Gate Skip  ;D

So does MST SS :P

RingRush said that it didn't

Then he's a damn liar.

I said MST doesn't use fast gate skip, not MST SS.

I take full credit for thinking up this type of run and its original route.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,5097.msg259961.html#msg259961

First route (updated from it ORIGINAL form but no longer up-to-date).

Okay, with the new silver block skip major changes for low% mst since chus are no longer ultra limited. I made the most obvious changes - alteration of chu counts, moved water temple from child to adult to cut out an extra trip to Hylia, and added a few more small tricks like the megaflip to zora's domain.

However, there are still more changes to be made that I don't have time to do right now. We have four leftover chus, so magic can definitely be moved to adult, saving a fair ammount of time. Other things can be reorganized also.

Edit: Er, oh, and I just realized I forgot to allocate a chu for killing the beamos in adult spirit. That will come out of the four leftovers, but what other small mistake could I have made? Anyone care to proofread / test? :p


Edit2:

Okay, I made a total rewrite of the route. It is now a TON more optomized. Some changes include one less chu bowl, only one trip to Ganon's Castle, multiple temples without returning to Temple of Time, not going completely out of the way for magic as a child, skipping half of Dodongo's Cavern I was too ignorant to skip before, various tricks to skip using chus, fire temple boss key skip instead of grunz's maze trick (saves time and chus), water temple as adult instead of child, faster overall traveling routes as child and adult, and probably more I'm forgetting. Seriously, the route is way different.

After discovering a trick by watching Cosmo's 100% IL for fire, I made a pretty different route. I cannot tell if it is easier or harder, or if it is faster or slower.

[ROUTE DELETED DUE TO BEING VERY OUT OF DATE AND TAKING UP A LOT OF SPACE]

Updated first post with route v 4.0. The big change? A new item skip :O :O. Thanks to the new well trick, and the fact that low% MST never gets sticks on B, we can now skip Deku Sticks.

Notable changes:
1) Instead of going to the desert first, this route now goes to Kakriko for Cucco bottle + well chus
2) Afterwards, the route heads to GTG, since 10 chus isn't enough to beat KD w/o sticks or letter, even with an oob entry of DC
3) After training ground chus, the route continues as before until just before DoT skip. Instead of becoming adult, the route heads back to the desert and gets Mirror Shield
4) There is another set of 3 chu bowls before becoming adult, which happens immediately after Mirror Shield
5) Water temple strategy changed slightly, thanks to distance sideflip-hovers


Hooray for 28 items!

can't skip deku sticks on n64 since oob hovers will crash the game :P

Yes you can. Grunz has a video of him doing the oob silver block skip on n64. All that matters is that the room is beneath you...even if you are above the ceiling the game won't crash.

Version 6.1 is up! Miracle of miracles, yet another item is skipped, thanks to the efforts of Pokey and Klyde. The two new tricks that allowed it to happen: using a duped fairy for revival, and performing the fire trial hover in under 24 seconds. So farewell Goron Tunic, 27 items it is!

This route has some more major changes. Thanks to a new trick by Klyde, this route now gets Gold Gauntlets shortly after becoming an adult. This means we can skip the tricky megasidehop clip in the Spirit Temple and the long hover up the Forest Temple block room. This also means we can skip getting the bow as a child, saving a very long detour (and some very annoying hovers). Furthermore, this allows us to get Din's Fire instead of Fire Arrows. With DF, we can ascend the child side of the Spirit Temple, meaning we no longer have to do the 29 chu oob hover to skip the silver block on the way to the Mirror Shield. As a result of all the changes, 3 chu bowls were cut out of the route. Unfortunately, in order to compensate for all these alterations, Water Temple was moved back to a child again. Without hookshot, all this means is that it takes twice as long to kill Morpha. There were many other related changes to the route, such as delaying the Spirit chu chest until adult and making sure all OIs are done by the time we reach Fire Temple (we need space for fairies).

route needs to be updated so that it's possible to complete

Yeah yeah, will do. There are two options:

1. Write the route for Gamecube, which is significantly easier.
2. Write the general route, which is a bit harder.

For those not in the know, the problem with this route is that upon becoming adult, you can't get the cursor to hover over bombchus to equip them. The two solutions known are to get Fire Arrow's instead of Din's Fire, or to do Deku Tree as an adult and bow as a child. There is a potential for more random unequipabilities like this, and we really have no way to predict them, so be warned with any untested future routes.

Btw, vote on 1 or 2 while I finish up my homework, then I'll probably rewrite the route.

write it for gamecube

no one except me is interested in doing low% mst anyway and i use gamecube because my n64 stick is ASS

K

Low% MST route v8.0
By RingRush

Segment 1:
1. Intro
2. 21R
3. Kokiri Sword
4. Save

Segment 2:
1. 19R
2. Deku Shield
3. Equip items
4. Save in tree

Segment 3:
1. Grab a deku nut
2. Break floor web
3. Skulltula clip
4. To Gohma
5. Show her your nuts for the Kokiri Emerald

Segment 4:
1. Nut hover forest escape
2. To Kakriko w/ WESS
3. Collect first half of cuccos
4. Cucco dive to well and save

Segment 5:
1. Key behind illusory wall in main room
2. Crawl through northeast crawlspace
3. Perform actor replacement glitch with locked door
4. Defeat Dead Hand, get rupee chest
5. Vine clip with Skulltula
6. Swim to chu chest (10 chus)
7. Save

Segment 6:
1. Collect rest of cuccos and get bottle
2. Catch bugs, duping bottle over nuts
3. Save

Segment 7:
1. Megaflip forest escape (9 chus)
2. To Gerudo Valley w/ Peahat SS
3. Cucco jump
4. Up to archery range
5. Seamwalk and floaty sidehop down
6. Enter training grounds
7. Save

Segment 8:
1. Kill enemies in right room (8 chus)
2. Head to chu chest on left (13 chus)
3. Save

Segment 9:
1. Exit GTG
2. Save

Segment 10:
1. Exit via Goron City (12 chus)
2. Chu and enter DC (11 chus)
3. Save

Segment 11:
1. Chu the wall inside (10 chus)
2. Chu both eyes (8 chus)
3. Enter mouth and OI switch
4. Chu the floor above KD (7 chus)
5. Three cycle KD w/ chus (1 chu)
6. Re-enter DC and save
Segment 12:
1. To the market
2. Chu bowl thrice (31 chus)
3. To river, blow up rocks (30 chus)
4. Megaflip past waterfall (29 chus)
5. Chu megasidehop clip to skip KZ (28 chus)
6. Jabu-Jabu without fish
7. Save

Segment 13:
1. Chu the first switch (27 chus)
2. Ruto to hit other slingshot switch
3. To Boomerang
4. Save

Segment 14:
1. Chu megaflip + OI for huge shortcut (26 chus)
2. Chu switch in jellyfish room (25 chus)
3. Barinade
4. Zora's Sapphire cutscene
5. Save

Segment 15:
1. Megaflip forest escape (24 chus)
2. This little Linky went to market
3. Chu bowl twice (44 chus)
4. Up to castle, 2 hearts damage from GS
5. Chu boost moat (43 chus)
6. Cheaters never prosper
7. ZL w/ cutscene skip (42 chus)
8. To desert
9. Cucco jump (or chu boost)
10. Save in fortress

Segment 16:
1. Child gate skip
2. Wasteland without lens
3. Hover to Mirror Shield from outside (12 chus)
4. Save

Segment 17:
1. Goron City escape
2. Up to magic (10 chus) <Do not get any magic jars before the Spirit Temple as adult>
3. Owl down
4. To market
5. Chu bowl four more times (50 chus)
6. DoT Skip
7. Puberty [For all of adult, you have 2 chus worth of mistakes, so be careful]
8. Save

Segment 18:
1. Head to Forest
2. To SFM
3. Minuet
4. Hover up to Forest Temple (42 chus)
5. Save

Segment 19:
1. Small key outside
2. Small key from Stalfos
3. Up the block room a bit, jump to ledge
4. Kill floormaster for small key
5. Back to silver block room
6. Hover up (23 chus)
7. Get bow
8. Save

Segment 20:
1. Boss key skip
2. Beat PG, Forest Medallion
3. Save

Segment 21:
1. To Lake Hylia
2. OoB to Water Temple
3. Save

Segment 22:
1. Hover across first gap (19 chus)
2. Fairy from pots in Cucco bottle
3. Boss key skip (14 chus)
4. Morpha with jump slashes
5. Water Medallion
6. Fire Arrows
7. Save

Segment 23:
1. To castle grounds
2. Activate ISG off of Navi
3. Hover to Ganon’s Castle (6 chus)
4. Save

Segment 24:
1. Head to Shadow Trial
2. Fire Arrow torch, etc
3. Gold Gauntlets
4. Save

Segment 25:
1. To Spirit Trial
2. Silver rupees
3. Chu chest (26 chus)
4. Save

Segment 26:
1. Exit castle
2. Save

Segment 27:
1. To Kakariko
2. Graveyard
3. House hover [wait for Navi for ISG] (23 chus) [Optional: Poe hover to save chus]
4. Save in temple

Segment 28:
1. Megaflip gap (22 chus)
2. Bird statue
3. Another megaflip (21 chus)
4. To the spinning scythe room
5. Jumpslash SB and jump to boat wheel
6. ZL to start boat
7. Arrow the pillar
8. Floormaster Small Key / Boss Key [Fire Arrows!]
9. Go to Bongo Bongo (20 chus)
10. Shadow Medallion
11. Up Death Mountain
12. Megaflip to Fire Temple (19 chus)
13. Save

Segment 29:
1. Darunia
2. Key
3. Fairy in Deku Nut bottle
4. Save

Segment 30:
1. Continue through dungeon till block rise [will need revivals here] (18 chus)
2. Mad hops to above crystal switch
3. Push block and use bow on crystal switch
4. Continue to stone maze, grab small keys
5. Continue to upper level, getting more small keys (17 chus)
6. To firewall maze
7. Blow open fake door before sub-boss (16 chus)
8. Flare Dancer (13 chus)
9. Up to Megaton Hammer
10. Jump down and hammer platform down / get small key by hammering through SoT block
11. Save

Segment 31:
1. Hammer blocks
2. Beat up Flare Dancer
3. Boss Key
4. Save

Segment 32:
1. Refill on fairies from pots [Exit and re-enter to refresh timer]
2. Volvagia
3. Fire Medallion
4. Save

Segment 33:
1. To desert
2. Bugs from rock
3. ISG Megaflip bridge (12 chus)
4. Save in fortress

Segment 34:
1. To the wall (11 chus)
2. Damage boost jumpslash (10 chus)
3. Adult Gate skip (9 chus)
4. Wasteland
5. Enter Spirit Temple and save

Segment 35:
1. Silver block pushing w/ GGs
2. Bow on Crystal switch
3. Silver rupee room
4. To the statue room, play lullaby and get key
5. To child side, get 10 chu chest (19 chus)
6. Save

Segment 36:
1. Back to statue room
2. Beamos and Anubis room (18 chus)
3. Small key from shining light
4. To boss key
5. To the mirror room
6. Blow up the rock wall in the maze and shine light on the big mirror (17 chus)
7. Magic ISG trick
8. Destroy the face
9. Hover to boss door (11 chus)
10. Iron Knuckle and Twinrova
11. Spirit Medallion
12. Save

Segment 37:
1. Light Arrows
2. To Ganon’s Castle
3. Save

Segment 38:
1. To Spirit Trial
2. Backtrack through it
3. Chu the switch (10 chus)
4. Burn the web w/ Fire Arrows
5. Destroy the Spirit Barrier
6. To Forest Trial
7. Light torches with Fire Arrows
8. Rupee room w/o hovers (9 chus)
9. Destroy Forest barrier
10. To Water Trial
11. Bottle of blue flame
12. Melt first ice
13. Bow clip trick to skip puzzle room
14. Destroy Water barrier
15. To Light Trial
16. Defeat enemies
17. OI for key
18. Silver rupees (8 chus)
19. Destroy light barrier
20. Go to secret room and bottle 2 fairies
21. To Shadow Trial
22. Burn torch, megaton switch, destroy barrier
23. Save

Segment 39:
1. To Fire Trial (will have to use some more revivals here)
2. Get rupees and set up death near torch slug
3. Hover to end (0 chus)
4. Destroy Fire barrier
5. To Upper Ganon’s Castle
6. Save

Segment 40:
1. Up the tower
2. Single cycle ‘dorf
3. Crumbling escape
4. J slash to start and then Megaton crouch stab for phase 1
5. Master Sword
6. .done

27 items

Kokiri Sword: DoT skip, well chus, ISG, defeating enemies
Deku Shield: Escaping forest, ISG, Ruto's bottle skip
Deku Nuts: Gohma, something to dupe a bottle over
Bombchus: King Dodongo, Fire Temple, Spirit Trial, Spirit Temple, tons and tons of tricks
Cucco Bottle: OIing, Fire Temple, Fire Trial, Water Trial
Boomerang: Barinade
Zelda's Letter: Needed to get Zelda's Lullaby
Zelda's Lullaby: Magic, Shadow Temple, Light Trial, Spirit Temple
Mirror Shield: Twinrova, Spirit Trial, ISG, megaflips, ground jumps
Magic: Need to use Light Arrows, Fire Arrows
Master Sword: Need to become adult, Ganon
Minuet of Forest: Automatically get on way to Forest Temple
Bow and Quiver: Need ammo for light arrows
Fire Arrows: Forest Trial
Gold Gauntlets: Fire Trial, Light Trial
Megaton Hammer: Volvagia, Shadow Trial, Water Trial
Light Arrows: All trials, Ganondorf
6 Medallions and 3 Stones: Needed for MST

Rupee route not included, their location is left as an exercise to the reader

Here is a WIP of this challenge.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=63B35538D2E9A938

I'm obviously not using the fastest route (lol Din's Fire), but it will get 27 items nonetheless.

I'm alive and haven't quit this, in case anyone was wondering. I's lazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHWjCXNjNhQ