Any% Route Discussion

As we are on the verge of discovering a fully optimized barrier skip--as well as the discovery of many largely effective tricks and glitches--, I figured it would be a good idea to crack down on deciding a solid route for an any%. This should include the answer to the debate between EMS and ToG. Any theoretical routes should be posted and tested for timeliness to be used in the official route. Here's a list of items that we are going to need for sure and/or can't avoid getting:
-Deku Leaf
-Bombs
-Bottle
-Forest Water
-Tingle Tuner
-Windwaker
-Sword & Shield
-Sail
-Telescope
If there is anything else that is an absolute essential please say so, and I'll add it.

Instead of talking about a theoretical any%, you should be discussing the real any%. Until barrier skip is confirmed, there is no point having a major discussion on the route. However, we do need a new any% route with all the existing tricks found.

RingRush wrote

Instead of talking about a theoretical any%, you should be discussing the real any%. Until barrier skip is confirmed, there is no point having a major discussion on the route. However, we do need a new any% route with all the existing tricks found.

That's what this is for. I said theoretical routes because then we can combine ideas and improve upon them.

You said in your opening post about ToG vs EMS. EMS is impossible as of now, due to a dead end in hyrule 3. Thus, talking about routes involving it is meaningless. Until we actually come up with barrier skip, we have no idea what it will require, thus, we have no idea how to route it. As I said before, time would be better spent routing the any%, with the already-discovered tricks like zombie hovering in dungeons and maybe even collecton delay.

RingRush wrote

You said in your opening post about ToG vs EMS. EMS is impossible as of now, due to a dead end in hyrule 3. Thus, talking about routes involving it is meaningless. Until we actually come up with barrier skip, we have no idea what it will require, thus, we have no idea how to route it. As I said before, time would be better spent routing the any%, with the already-discovered tricks like zombie hovering in dungeons and maybe even collecton delay.

First of all, we won't go to H3 because of barrier skip. Also, barrier skip is practically done & we know that it requires bombs, the deku leaf, WW, and the hookshot. The only thing we're really working on getting around is the hookshot. If you want to see barrier skip's progress, look and tricks and glitch disscusion.

The barrier skip is far from "practically done". As I explained in the tricks topic, doing a 0-heart WW dive and zombie hovering afterward doesn't work as is; you'll be hit by the barrier.

Manocheese wrote

The barrier skip is far from "practically done". As I explained in the tricks topic, doing a 0-heart WW dive and zombie hovering afterward doesn't work as is; you'll be hit by the barrier.

GlitchesandStuff has gotten 0 heart WW dive to work. I know barrier skip isn't flawlessly complete, but it's more complete then it's ever been. We all know that it will be finished before too much time passes.

Why do we need a new thread for this? Just use Unreal's thread.

Route Outline:
1. Opening Cutscene (may or may not save after)
2. Sidehop, swim, roll to grandma's house
3. Climb latter, get clothes
-Save
4. Swim, roll to aryll
5. Equip telescope, postman
- Cutscene
6. Sidehop, swim, roll to orca's
7. Do quick sword method
8. Roll to Tetra
9. Quick bokoblin battle
-Cutscene
10. Roll to grandma's
11. Climb latter, backflip down for shield
EDIT: Collect Orange rupee under grandma's house
12. Roll to Tetra
-Cutscene
13. Quick rope game
14. Climb latter
-Cutscene
15. Roll & do quick 2nd search light trick (not sure if GS text skip causes problems, so didn't include it)
16. Lure bokoblin & quick spin kill
17. Jump to first search light, quick kill
18. Rolling, Rolling, Rolling
19. Hug the wall to roll past moblin
20. Sidles
21. Sword, quick kill bokoblin
-Cutscene
22. Get Tingle Tuner & Sail
23. Quick sail to DR, collect red rupee along way
24. WW & wind's requiem, make wind blow south
25. Skip the rocks
-Long shitty cutscene/Delivery Bag
26. Roll to Medli, get letter
27. Roll to Komali
28. To Medli
(Not sure if bottle skip would save time or waste it. Needs confirmation)
29. Bottle, Blow up rock, Swim
30. Bomb boost over lava Jumpslash is quicker by a few seconds
31. Enter DRC & Save
32. Call Tingle & Put RT on B
33. Move Statues (2nd one half way)
34. Quick spin bokoblins & pickup stick
35. Light 1st torch, throw to light second
36. Open chest, open door
37. Break boards
-Cutscene
38. Roll pull out block 1/2 way
39. Roll to bomb flowers & deminish life to 1/4 Heart (alternate BF for speed--L then R--)
40. Zombie hover to 2nd level off of bomb flower
41. Enter room and quick kill bokoblins
42. Grab water jug, jump to center platform, throw on lava jet
43. Pick up bomb flower & blow up rock
44. Roll up stairs
-Cutscene
45. Quick kill bokoblins (5 slashes, then quick spin) and moblin
46. Get grappling hook & grapple to post from ground to skip Medli text
47. Roll, grapple, break boards
48. Zombie hover for BK skip--preferably use variation 1--
49. Quick Gohma battle
-Cutscene
50. Enter warp
-Cutscene
51. Save
52. Quick sail to Forest Haven
53. WW dive to entrance

This is a very vague outline of the route as of now. I only included obvious save spots, as they are to be discussed. I will improve as I continue testing and get suggestions.

http://i.imgur.com/LcJWs.png
1) is what everyone uses I think. And I thought 2) may have a chance at being faster. Thoughts?

mugg wrote

http://i.imgur.com/LcJWs.png
1) is what everyone uses I think. And I thought 2) may have a chance at being faster. Thoughts?

Hmm. I wouldn't think so as you are already right there in the original route.

I've seen Cosmo save warp after the sword.

savewarp after sword is better than after grandma, because the rupees are closer to grandma.

Where can I watch the current record for this category? It is not on the Wind Waker page here.

I have the current record of 5:45:54

http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright/b/318873558

starts at 5:27:00

Content may be inappropriate  it says, anyway have you submitted it to SDA?

Do you control the tingle tuner yourself?

5:21:08 speedrun on english w/ tingle tuner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de0p2-GsfOA