Low% list so far

*****Before I start typing, I know im new here and im not well known, im sorry if im not supposed to make a new topic being unknown. I thought this may be useful for further challenges or glitches. BTW I have played Ocarina of time N64 since i was young  and Ocarina of time 3D since it came out so i am aware of most of the Game Mechanics.

This is a list of items you can skip and still be able to complete the game. (These items are skipped by glitches or just by choice)

O1) Items skipped by glitches

-Kokiri Sword
-Slingshot / Bullet Bag
-Megaton Hammer
-Longshot
-Silver gauntlets
-Gold gauntlets
-Iron Boots
-Bolero Of Fire
-Serenade of Water
-Nocturne of Shadow!! :D
-Requiem of Spirit
-Forest Medallion
-Fire Medallion
-Water Medallion

(Will continue once more glitches are found)

O2) Items skipped by choice

-All Adult Trading Items (Pocket Egg, Cucco, Cojiro, etc.)
-Masks
-Lens Of Truth
-Bombchus
-Fire Arrows
-Ice Arrows
-Broken Giant's Sword / Biggoron Sword
-Zora Tunic
-Upgraded Capacitys
-Gold Skulltulas
-Heart Containers / Pieces
-Epona
-Bottles (Ruto's Bottle; because we can TSC and bring fish to Jabu-Jabu and skip the bottle, Lon Lon Ranch Bottle, and Poe Collector's bottle) Just get Kakariko Bottle it's faster
-Any Maps
-Any Compasses
-Magic Beans
-Farore's Wind
-Nayru's Love
-Sun's Song
-Epona's Song
-Song of Storms
-Prelude of Light
-Scarecrow's Song
(Will include more if I missed any)
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MASTER QUEST

M1) Items skipped by glitches

Fairy Ocarina
Goron Bracelet
Saria's Song
(Will Add more)

M2) Items skipped by choice

Everything the same as Original Story Mode except...

Bombchus
(Will Add More)

It is possible to reach spirit temple as young link, allowing you to skip the gerudo card, yes.
You can skip rutos letter, but that would require you to get atleast one of any bottle, as we cant enter jabu otherwise... This does ofc require you to do water temple without iron boots.

Goron tunic is not a requirement in the game. It does however require you to have something to heal you with, and a couple of hearts.. so maybe that isn't a good idea. I do not think 1 fairy is enough to reach the megaton hammer, especially not with 3 hearts ;D
I guess you could bottle dupe some items, and do fire temple late..

Scarecrow song
Magic Beans
Deku nut
and all other useless items.

uhm... Yeaahh... There is probably more that I am missing.. Ohh.. right.. Kokiri Sword.

On Master Quest, you can skip the fairy ocarina and goron bracelet with glitches. This means you can also skip Saria's song. But by skipping these items, you have to get bombchu's, and you get the ocarina of time eventually anyway..

HeyListen wrote

Yes it might work, because you only need a few items for the Fire Temple. If you do it with 3 hearts and no tunic, you may just die from the high falls or all the fire traps (If your not cautious or it's your first time).

If you do it with 3 hearts and no Goron Tunic, you're going to only have 24 seconds before you die.  ::)

Couldn't you just RBA Hammer on B because a bottle isn't skippable and hookshot clip for the Boss Key Early then just beat volvagia with a fairy or two?

The hookshot clip doesn't need to be done fast, there isn't a timer in that room and then for the Megaflip it is possible but difficult without a fiary. For Volvagia a fairy is needed. If the fire trial hover can be done in 24 seconds for low% MST than this is possible too.

HeyListen wrote

You dont need a fairy though the glitches, if you practice Megaflip or the "Jump to the boss door platform" glitch (Still needing bombs.)

What do you need bombs for? You can just jump to the boss door ledge.

Really? wow I feel like an idiot

EDIT: from where? I just tested some platforms and I can't seem to make it.

Wait, what the heck?
Are we talking about BA hammer on B?
If we are going to use BA and RBA, then we can skip all adult link temples. Except that we need to get bow to use light arrow.
Or even better, we BA light arrow on B by completing forest temple, and never get the bow...

Using BA or RBA for this is just stupid.

We still need a Gerudo Token skip and a Goron Bracelet/Saria's Song skip.
I also read somewhere that some guy got out of bounds in Temple of time? Doesn't this mean a step closer to DoT skip / Song of Time skip?

Has anyone managed to kill Gohma without either a slingshot or sword? Breaking half my deku stick, then flashing it with a nut, i haven't been able to hit it more than twice after around thirty or forty attempts.

HeyListen wrote

We still need a Gerudo Token skip

Question is, which one is better, Gerudo Token skip, Requiem of Spirit skip, or skipping them both and getting epona?
We can choose one of them.

I'd honestly rather see a Gerudo Token Skip than a Requiem of Spirit skip.

Also, getting epona does not require epona's song or anything, so do not worry about that.

So there really is 3 different items to choose between. I would pick Requiem of Spirit before Gerudo Token in a low%, because the Token has a bigger impact on the game.

ahou wrote

Has anyone managed to kill Gohma without either a slingshot or sword? Breaking half my deku stick, then flashing it with a nut, i haven't been able to hit it more than twice after around thirty or forty attempts.

When she goes up onto the ceiling, just wait for the eggs to fall down, break them with your shield (L-Target and walk into them when shielding), and then use nuts on her eye again.
It is easy to beat her without slingshot & sword. It may just take some time.


Also, why isn't Scarecrow song in the list?

And I really do not want to say this but... Din's Fire skip? Get into shadow temple while the door is unloaded. The redead trick for the boss key still works, right?
Err.. I just tried. I can only make the redead stand up, but when he starts to rotate towards me it's to late, and he just sit down again.

CloudMax wrote

When he goes up onto the ceiling, just wait for the eggs to fall down, break them with your shield (L-Target and walk into them when shielding), and then use nuts on his eye again.
It is easy to beat him without slingshot & sword. It may just take some time.

Figures i was making it harder than it needed to be. Didn't even realize she'd come back down on her own if you don't shoot her. Thanks.

Also, since din's fire is needed now for shadow temple, deku stick can be skipped via ng+ with hammer. Hammer allows din's fire early, which can break the webs in deku tree, and light the torches in DC.

To Everyone: - Won't we be able to skip Forest, Fire, and Water Temple Medallions? We will just need Shadow and Spirit Medallions for the Light arrows and Bridge. We do need to get Bow and Arrow from the Forest Temple. If i recall when you do RBA Medallions you have Forest, Water, Shadow, and Spirit; so you don't need all the medallions because of Light and Fire. We can't one cycle ganondorf, because we don't have Biggorons Sword / Giant's Knife and we already have Master Sword / Hammer on B as child?

By skipping the Fire temple we can skip Hammer on item inventory, so if we skip entering Fire and Water Temple, we can lose 3 items (Fire Medallion, Water Medallion, and Hammer). And Forest Temple we can lose 1 (Forest Medallion) because we need Fairy's Bow, thus making us get Minuet of Forest.

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 To CloudMax: - Well i would say Requiem of Spirit is good as well but you will also need epona. You posted a reply to one of my questions (the one with epona teleport to upper Gerudo's Fortress to lower to unload gate and walk through to skip Gerudo's Token) So we would need Epona and will get Requiem of Spirit, are you counting Epona as the third item? I agree though skipping the Token has a bigger impact on the game than the other.

 As for the Din's Fire skip, i also have the same question. I have tested it and failed again and again, i think the spiked walls have a faster speed than the N64/Gc / VC. Thus making the redead stand up a bit too late to paralyze you.

  And Scarecrow Song is added on the list. Thank you :D
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 To Ahou: - Yes, you are completely right. That would make the use of skipping Deku Sticks, because theres only 3 places you would need them (1 in Dodongo's Cavern and 2 in Spirit Temple), but since we wont be doing Child Spirit Temple, it will be a perfect addition :D Thank you!

I'm currently working on a ng+ low% mst run. What i've got so far for child link is:

deku nut
wwt forest escape
ocarina
weird egg
weird cucco
lullaby+letter
sarah's song
bracelets
magic
din's fire
bombs/bomb bag
goron ruby
deku tree
silver scale
ruto's bottle
boomerang
sapphire
ocarina
song of time
master sword

This gets a total of 21 items, skipping slingshot, bullet bag, deku sticks, and sword. Fire temple can also be done as a kid to skip megaton hammer (should be doable with a fairy and din's fire), but only if you skip trials (and if you do, you're probably going to be skipping the fire temple anyway).

For non-mst, you'd probably be better off starting with a bottle. Rbaing the magic mushroom directly without trading saves a few items, and then you can also skip the bow+quiver (may be able to shoot ganadorf, rba arrows, switch to sword, attack a few times, then shoot again and finish him off. If not, i guess you'd need to get the hammer to damage him, rbaing arrows as needed. This adds deku sticks, and magic beans and saves pocket egg, pocket cucoo, and cojiro, bow, quiver.

Well, we can't do Fire Temple as a child without atleast 7 heart Containers, and Heart Containers count as one item each. Also, you don't need the Adult Trading Items at all?

If we start with Hammer on B we can skip Deku Sticks and Magic Beans. You dont NEED the Hammer for adult section, we can skip entering and completing the Fire Temple, by getting Shadow Medallion (by poe hover) and Spirit Temple. We DO need the bow though, because if you RBA Light Arrows you only get one Light arrow and if we get Hammer thats adding Hammer, BUT LOSING BOW AND ARROW.

*****So if we start Hammer on B we do and dont need:
DO NEED: Bow and Quiver (2 items)
DONT NEED: Hammer(1), Deku Sticks(1), Magic Beans(1), or Adult Items(1)                So basically you lose 4 items and gain 2 items, thus taking away 2 values.

*****And if we use your way (Bottle on B), it's the opposite of hammer on B
Need: Deku Sticks(1), Magic beans(1) and Adult Items(1)
Dont need : Bow and Quiver(2)                                                                          You lose 2 items but gain 3 so you gain 1 value.




ALSO THIS ISNT A NG+ we don't need to RBA in anyway, just Bottle Adventure for Hammer on B and then for the new file you DONT NEED RBA.
But i get what your saying and yes you are very correct. And Adult Trading Items are considered all one item.

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Well, we can't do Fire Temple as a child without atleast 7 heart Containers

Ah, ok.

It seems silly to count 4 different items as one to me, but if you do then indeed hammer would be better.

You obviously don't need to rba, but doing so requires trade items, and saves 2 medallions, mirrror shield, and hover boots (or can you skip those with megaflips in shadow temple?)

Looks like deku sticks actually can't be skipped. Hammer, bombs, and din's fire are all unable to damage barinade.

So unless for some reason bombchus can damage barinade, we would need to start with the master sword, which would still need deku sticks to light torches, but would allow us to use tsc to skip silver scale

we already are able to skip 3 medallions Forest, Fire, and Water. Making us get Light, Shadow, and Spirit (3) AND if we RBA we get (4). Forest, Water, Shadow, and Spirit.

No we don't need hover boots, i think..? We will just use bow and arrow to knock down statue to get to bongo bongo without bombchus and bombslide. Also, we can megaflip through the temple.

Then we can just use Master Sword on B it wont count because it's not an item at all (not in your inventory / shown)
Like i said we don't need Adult trading items or RBA. Mirror shield is fine to get because if we RBA we get (4) medallions and (1) Odd Mushroom. With no RBA we get (1) Requiem and (1) Mirror Shield.

We Just need to get Requiem of Spirit as child (meaning we just need Bombs and Bomb Bag) ((Can't be skipped anyways)) Once you meet shiek, save warp back to Link's House and become adult i guess. You don't need Silver Gauntlets

You are counting rba medallions as items?

In that case, rba still allows mirror shield to be skipped, plus you can get rid of saria's song, goron ruby, etc. Also, rbaing a fairy gives you only shadow and spirit medallions.

I don't really see how you could count that would result in not rbaing being better. If you don't count rba medallions, then it's obviously better. If you don't count items that you lost because of rba, then you save numerous items. If count all items you obtain regardless of how you obtain them or whether you keep them, then it still comes out ahead (+trade items, - mirror shield and requiem). Not to mention it is significantly faster.

HeyListen wrote

we already are able to skip 3 medallions Forest, Fire, and Water. Making us get Light, Shadow, and Spirit (3) AND if we RBA we get (4). Forest, Water, Shadow, and Spirit.

I haven't actually done it on the 3DS but assuming the medallion/minuet/bolero bitfield is laid out the same way as it is in OoT and bottled items have the same values, you don't have to get Forest or Water medallions. Fairy on B should give you only Spirit and Shadow.