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Boss Battles and Silent Realm Time Trials

Started by ZFG · 16 Nov 2011 · 89 replies

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#61
I improved a couple things while visiting my sisters (they wanted me to show off), no vids though, I need to re-improve all these ones anyway:

Ghirahim (2) 17:16 (still not best strat!)
Imprisoned (1) 1:00:39
Demise 27:49

I wouldn't bother with these for the rankings you guys keep on this site, just consider (the first one anyway) the new time to beat.

With regards to Ghirahim (1), sub 8 should be feasable, in the video above, the attacks used in phase 2 weren't optimal (too many spins!), also in another mid decimal 8 run (by Sirhu) more time can be saved by jumping/running towards him right before the mid battle cutscene.

I also want to improve my Horde Battle, it looks kind of atrocious in hindsight.

Won't have a chance to until the new year though, my sisters begged to borrow my game for awhile. Gives all you guys a chance to catch up a bit!

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#62
I've been trying something completely ridiculous with Imprisoned 1. I think it MIGHT be doable, and it would save a bit, but my skills can't compete with the times you guys get. Thus, even if I managed, I couldn't really tell if it was faster

The thing I've tried is that after the second set of hits, you jump back to the center of the Sealed Grounds, and use the middle hole to fly all the way up to the air, (With that steamhole, you can then steer your falling) and try to fall on the head of the Imprisoned just at the cutscene where the sealing spike rises up from his head again.

The issue is that it would require timing and your placing before the cutscene to be nigh perfect. So far I've alway just missed the head, and I'm not even sure if the game allows this. An alternative is to fall around the area you would normally run to, and jump from there at a decent timing.

If it would allow it, you ould basically get to start right beside the sealing spike, and then hit it down thrice, saving a seond or two.

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#63
Just for the record, Moldarach takes exactly the same number of hits in LMF as in boss rush.

edit: The Imprisoned 1 - 0:55.59

Last edited 28 Dec 2011, 19:08 by Paraxade.

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#64
Faron Silent Realm 2:01.26 lost like 0.75 this is getting pretty close.

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#65
There is another strategy to beat imprisioned(1), which involves using the central jet stream to land directly on him between phases. Its not any faster but looks cooler IMO.

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#66
During the Imprisoned(2) if you choose to go for feet then you can leave his back heel for last, strike it twice to weaken it, then when you are sufficiently behind him finish the heel off with an arrow and when he falls down his head will be by you, skipping having to otherwise run around his body.

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#67

During the Imprisoned(2) if you choose to go for feet then you can leave his back heel for last, strike it twice to weaken it, then when you are sufficiently behind him finish the heel off with an arrow and when he falls down his head will be by you, skipping having to otherwise run around his body.


You can actually outright kill each toe with a single charged shot from an arrow. There's possibly a faster strat in there than the one I used for 1:08, can't really test it now, my game is still out on a loaner. My thoughts regarding this are, phase 1- as is (deliberately slow, skipping ledge grab), but try and be thrown off to the front of him (rare), phase 2- use nunchuk c charged arrows to kill all the front toes, run between his legs to the rear, use arrows to kill final toes; phase 3- Groose shenanigans. Actually, the way the outlined method is playing inside my head at this moment might push sub 1 minute depending on how everything lines up position wise in phase 3. Won't be faster outside of the boss rush, since you'll have an extra cutscene when he falls from lack of feet, and a longer one after phase 2 as he gets up and prepares to slither for awhile.

I'm also now thinking Imp3 might be faster with arrows in phase 1, mainly since you'd be in better position to run for the spike in phase 2, this also needs testing I can't do right now, and also won't be faster in a full run due to extra cutscene of him falling/longer one where he has to get up before starting to fly.

Also recently had an idea with Koloktos where (in phase 2) on the final hit of a greatsword combo you also detonate a bomb which, if both the last hit and the damage from the bomb can both count, is enough to skip the last repeat of the motions (since you only need one greatsword hit the final time for the kill (3-3-1)).

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#68
Ghirahim(1) - 8.29

My best first phase is 3.23, gotten sub 3.30 several times. Miles have better last hit, I have never successed do it that fastly unfortunately, otherwise I might be able to get sub 8 seconds  ;)

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#69
On Imprisoned 3, after you hit him with the groosenator in the second cycle the cutscene warps you so your position doesn't matter.

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#70

On Imprisoned 3, after you hit him with the groosenator in the second cycle the cutscene warps you so your position doesn't matter.


Right.

Alternate idea: use the large geyser in phase 2, possibly preserving the unused bomb for phase 3.

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#71
Pretty sure Groose never has a bomb in cycle 3 whether you use the cycle 2 one or not. Imprisoned 3 is a pretty heavily scripted fight. :/

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#72
Finally got my game back...

Some new ones:

Ghirahim (1) 8:06 (gunning for under 8, I've already ruined a few sub 8 pace runs. was 3:33 at cutscene here, I have had 3:16 a few times. Also, accidental vertical spin.)
Ghirahim (2) 16:43 (too much luck involved, but 13:xx is possible)
Imprisoned (3) 59:39 (used para's new strat. Sucked balls at the spikes but ehh new best)

All 3 are improvable, so no vids for now. I have 8:06 on video, if I eventually fail and subsequently give up at 7:xx I'll upload that.

EDIT:  Link to 8:06. My first combo in phase two was awful, and phase 1 was 2 time units off my consistent best. 7:7x sounds reasonable for a max on this guy.

Last edited 20 Jan 2012, 20:12 by Jackimus.

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#73
^ Just so you know, I have 57.09 imprisoned 3. I think I have lower as well (55?) but that's the only time I know for sure I got... I'll check my save and see if I bothered saving any times :P

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#74
Ghirahim (2) 14:06

Nearly perfect fight.

Yeah para, if you happen to know what the time to beat on imprisoned 3 is that'd be great for when I attempt him seriously.

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#75
Yeah, I checked and I don't have it saved. My apologies :/

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#76
Your a fighting master Jackimus, and you should invest in better recording equipment so the the video quality is on level with play quality.

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#77
Demise 24:56 (new strat)

Working on a video, my current best is a tad slow compared to what should be feasable, high 22:xx I am thinking. Phase 2 has a slight tweak, and phase 1 is completely brand new (it's an endless combo good for low decimal 8 secs). Stay tuned....!

EDIT: This strategy is larger bullshit than I initially figured, at least when trying to rush it. I have a crappy 25:13 run on video where I deliberately was careful about what I did if anyone needs to see this new strat immediately. I've almost entirely given up on 22:xx (although it is very possible), so once I get 23:something I'll upload for sure, probably going to be a few days.

Last edited 22 Jan 2012, 07:00 by Jackimus.

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#78
Demise 24:46

I stand by my initial estimate of high 22:xx being possible, but the phase 1 needed for it is ridiculous. Even "taking my time to do it right" in the above video is kind of, well tough. Nearly every attack has to be in a specific direction, and throwing in 4 instances of attack -> spin is simply hell, I can't even complete this faster phase 1, at least not yet. Lost a bit of time early phase 2, being a bit late starting the combo (tough to time). Until someone crazy beats this time, I'm happy for now.

EDIT: Occured to me that I should elaborate a bit on phase 2 as well. The attack where he shoots the wave of lightning at you likely runs on a timer of some sort (5-ish seconds from the looks of things), if he's not in the middle of another attack he'll do it immediately. Luckily, his vulnerability period starts at this time whether or not he actually is doing that one attack, so that's how I was able to start the 9 hit combo from a standard vertical swipe of his.

Last edited 23 Jan 2012, 03:37 by Jackimus.

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#80
Imprisoned (2) 1:04:43
Imprisoned (3) 0:56:93
Horde Battle 1:21:59

No vids due to camera faggotry. Horde Battle is not great yet anyway though.

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#81
Horde Battle 1:14:99

This time is pretty much unbeatable without stamina potion hax (or insane luck).

12/12, I think I'll finally give some silent realm a stab this weekend.

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#82
Faron Silent Realm 2:11:73

Used ZFG's route. Of note, I am using a tiny trick which might be enough for sub 2 mins (roll into the crawlspace). I'm horrible at the vine climbing bit near the beginning right now though, so that's an ambition for another day.

Scaldera 20:83

Random improvement while practicing for a full boss rush run.

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#83

Faron Silent Realm 2:11:73

Used ZFG's route. Of note, I am using a tiny trick which might be enough for sub 2 mins (roll into the crawlspace). I'm horrible at the vine climbing bit near the beginning right now though, so that's an ambition for another day.


If you manage to grab the tear surrounded by waking water then jump over it to leave the ''circle'' and roll when landing, you might be able to save another 0.50 seconds... But that's just an idea. I really don't know how to get sub-2.

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#85
Couple new ones. My records are getting tougher to improve, which is why I haven't posted in a couple weeks.

Ghirahim (3) 0:39:93

There is a way to end phase 2 with one long combo, but it's slower (by about 1.5 seconds) than the method used here. It CAN be done without a shield though, to do it, attack to spin to knock the sword out of his hand, quickly charge a skyward strike and stab 2-4 times. Charge another skyward strike while backing away (too close and it wont work), and stab continuously to end the round. In phase 3 without a shield, use skyward strikes while moving backwards to get him to raise his guard without having to shield block one of his attacks. It is possible to clear 50 seconds without a shield if everything goes well.

Horde Battle 1:10:13

Really happy with this time. Didn't get the crazy good ending in my old 1:14 run, so a time like 1:07 is probably possible, 1:04ish with potion glitch.

Faron Silent Realm 2:08:39

Still awful at the vine climbing bit. Probably will record a run and move onto Lanayru once I can get 2:05s reliably.

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#86
My best times: They're horrible.
Ghirahim 1= 33.16 sec
Imprisoned 1= 1:55.79 (in-game)
Moldarach: 51.58 sec (spam those stabs)
Tentalus= 4:15:32. yeah.
Koloktos= 3:52.04
Faron Realm= 2:30.10
Definitely going to improve Faron Realm, Ghirahim and Imprisoned.

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#87
Battle:

Ghirahim 1 - 16:96
Moldarach - 51:93
Ghirahim 2 - 34:69
Imprisoned 3 - 1:09:59
Ghirahim 3 - 1:03:49
Demise - 28:73

Silent Realms:

Faron Woods - 2:12:83
Eldin Volcano - 4:37:59
Lanayru Desert - 3:38:36
Skyloft - 2:49:66

Last edited 02 Jun 2012, 23:49 by Samura1man.

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#88
Hey first post. The page where the records are kept is pretty out dated but I was surprised to see there and even throughout this thread that there was a large gap from first to second place for Koloktos.

So if those are still the standing scores my fight would be second place: http://youtu.be/B70Xka41Lwc

There are a bunch of mistakes in it and it still ended in 2:04.36. I only tried to do it for a few hours so I think I could score sub 2 minutes but probably not nearly as fast at Jackimus.

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#89
Dammit, this French guy now holds 1st and 2nd place on Koloktos, and did so since June:
http://youtu.be/GIQOvf_FffQ 1:47.86 And I thought Jack's score was gonna be impossible to match. Nothing better than going from 2nd to 4th in just one quick youtube search.