TWW: Question & Answer / Trick Help

If you have any questions about the workings of the game, tricks, routes, or speedruns, this is the place to ask or help others.

Is there a route available for a segmented any% run?

I don't really have enough time at the moment to try single segment runs but I can't find any routes on the internet.

Thanks!

There is not any right now, KlydeStorm had one but at this point it's dated. I would imagine it would be similar to the RTA route and segmented mostly by savewarps. As far as tricks go, segmented would not bring anything new aside from a possible Puppet Ganon skip.

Segmented runs aren't really faster. A segmented run consists of doing segments over and over to get them perfect. AFAIK they aren't really meant for casual speed running. Also, there is no segmented route, and I don't think anyone will make a route for a while because of all the recent discoveries.

Sticky'd.

Is there a list of good spots to do storage at?

Not yet.

I need help with routing in a master sword speedrun. In my practice run I just did forbidden woods, but I'm not sure where I should go from here. I'm pretty much a noob at knowing how to have the wind. So if someone could tell me sail locations and wind changes up till TotG for me. I would be really appreciative. Thanks ahead of time.

EDIT: Just for clarification, I have the wind at NW from leafing into FW.

If you follow this you can learn the whole route: http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=fcDzcxRRXTU

Are you sure about that route in there? He doesn't even go to Eastern Triangle after FW. Wouldn't it be faster to go there after FW as opposed to after Southern Triangle?

That is the most recent Master Sword route, everything was timed to make it as fast as possible

I think Swordless couldn't find the eastern triangle island in that run so he went there later after S triangle. This is alot slower so don't mind that video, just go to E triangle after FW and then sail west to greatfish.

Demon9 wrote

I think Swordless couldn't find the eastern triangle island in that run so he went there later after S triangle. This is alot slower so don't mind that video, just go to E triangle after FW and then sail west to greatfish.

^ That's correct, I apologize I didn't watch this myself

Alright, can someone explain how to get the barrel trick in FF1 consistent? I keep practicing that one section with the two moblins but half the time I end up getting caught by the second one. I try to run behind the wall but he still seems to catch me.

Glozboy wrote

I don't really have enough time at the moment to try single segment runs but I can't find any routes on the internet.

How long do you think before you will have enough time to do a single segment run?
my suggestion would be to just do parts of the game to learn the single segment and when you think you have enough time to do a whole run (based on the times of your practice segments) you could try a single segment. This is what i did a couple of years ago when i first learned a WW route for a zelda speedrun event, the first time i actually did the whole run was at the event. Breaking up the game into 3 categories (mainly because of 3 save slots); start to enter ToG, Tog to defeat Wind temple, and triforce chart/piece collection and defeat ganondorf.
I still use this same method except I have more save slots now and emulator, but the principle is the same as in practice the parts often and when i find time i do a run (which until Uni semester is over is just the Saturday english no tuner any% race on SRL)

rust45 wrote

Alright, can someone explain how to get the barrel trick in FF1 consistent? I keep practicing that one section with the two moblins but half the time I end up getting caught by the second one. I try to run behind the wall but he still seems to catch me.

Run toward the barrel, pick it up & drop it immediately, and make your way around them. The first one will not see you for sure if you're decently fast, but the second one is a bit trickier. If you don't get passed him with just about perfect speed, it's likely he'll see you. If you don't trust how fast you were going, go around Moblin 2's right side and wait for him to turn around, then go.

I've gotten caught several times by the first one and it was really surprising, but I know what I did wrong. Just one roll in a bad direction could get you caught by the first one; don't roll parallel to the ledge you're running along when trying to pass him up with one final roll, try to roll diagonally forward if possible. He's generally forgiving, but it still doesn't hurt to be careful.

I'm trying to learn Dry Storage and need to clear something up.

I'm attempting the Boss Key skip on Dragon Roost Cavern. I can do the Wind Waker dive but I can't seem to get the timing right putting it away.

I know I should put it away 3 frames before I land. Does that mean pretty much the instant I land, or more towards the middle of my fall?

Thanks!

It's sorta right before the instant you land. It's easier to learn through experience though; once you get a grasp on when to do it you can do it pretty much anywhere.

Delayed pressing B by a little bit and pulled it off pretty quickly. Boss Key skip also worked out.

Thanks for the advice!

Just wondering if anyone has a video of the new Master sword route with dry storage and whatnot, have had a bit of a look around and can't dig one up, thanks.

Bellucian wrote

Just wondering if anyone has a video of the new Master sword route with dry storage and whatnot, have had a bit of a look around and can't dig one up, thanks.

hey,

how detailed do you want it to be? I was thinking of making videos for the most common used tricks with commentary and FAQs and detailing them as well as writing down the routes in pastebins... to document tWW more.

so, how detailed? I'll probably have the text done by tomorrow

I could try doing some Master Sword runs today saying why I do what I do, explaining things step-by-step and such. Anything to 1-up Vulpone, you know.  ;)

Also, are you more interested in the any% route up to Master Sword or just the Master Sword category? There are some differences up to Forest Haven between the two, plus the obvious discrepancies with Tingle, the BPR chart and the Elixir Soup.

Yashichidsf wrote

I could try doing some Master Sword runs today saying why I do what I do, explaining things step-by-step and such. Anything to 1-up Vulpone, you know.  ;)

Also, are you more interested in the any% route up to Master Sword or just the Master Sword category? There are some differences up to Forest Haven between the two, plus the obvious discrepancies with Tingle, the BPR chart and the Elixir Soup.

I think this answers Vulpone and your questions, I hope

I was more just after a normal run of it but commentary to whatever depth is always welcome and adds to the fun, the Any% videos are easy to dig up I was really looking for just the master sword category as like you said there is a few differences and I was just curious how it all played out as it'd be cool to learn it as well and race it!

Alright here's a run I had: http://www.twitch.tv/yashichidsf/b/337384179 I got WR in it too, because MS Eng no Tuner WR is an important thing, you know

Yashichidsf wrote

Alright here's a run I had: http://www.twitch.tv/yashichidsf/b/337384179 I got WR in it too, because MS Eng no Tuner WR is an important thing, you know

Cheers dude, will check it out when I get home, and it is important, not alot of people can claim they have a World Record under their belt  ;D

Yeah, hope I helped. If I missed anything and you still have questions, feel free to ask. :)

All been good so far, with the exception of the beedles ship WW dive, If I sit on the ship and wait for the nose to rise I can get it 95%~ however if I spin the camera and run at it similar to what you do I can only really hit it 15%~ is there some secret to it or am I just a baddy?

What's with the main site saying something about early master sword?? I felt like low% was the "earliest" you could get it but there must be something I'm missing...

Early master sword in this game would mean that you complete FF2 early in the game just after you get the wind waker to get the master sword after the cutscene. We haven't found any good use of this so far so it's useless, but cool!

Is there a english no tuner any% route anywhere? I want to get into learning this game but haven't found much in the way of routes.