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Jeville wrote

Were you trying with the Hookshot/Bow/Deku Stick? Those ones don't work; Link just puts them away.

It was nice seeing transformation forms planting Magic Beans, heh. It never made sense that they can't.

Edit: I found another way for RI without the Pictograph Box; it requires a Deku Flower. Be Deku, equip an usable item then launch. While hovering, replace the usable item with an unusable one and you'll notice the button is not faded. You'll have to land in helicoptering mode and mash the button, because dropping will fade the button. I noticed this detail in the original but didn't get it to work.

As mentioned in the chat, this probably works in all scenarios where the items don't change usable because of current state. (I found the pictograph method with that mindset)
also, pretty sure he didn't mean using bow, etc.
you literally can't do it at all without pictograph (ii think thats the reason anyway)
thr usability does not get stuck on slots without it.
(it could be shoot A that causes this state)

I'm not sure I follow. The Deku Flower method not working without Pictograph Box? I tried it in the first 3-Day cycle without it and it was working, you just need the magic meter.

Jeville wrote

I'm not sure I follow. The Deku Flower method not working without Pictograph Box? I tried it in the first 3-Day cycle without it and it was working, you just need the magic meter.

I meant the other method.

Segfault wrote

Fantastic job! How did you manage to sort this out? Is it data pulled from the N64 version, or is there a good method for dumping 3DS memory data? It would be nice if we could actually look at what data the gibdo glitch writes so we can find a reliable way to WW.

I extracted the data off of a ram dump. It's possible via an exploit in the web browser.

Considering the gibdo mask ww is time based, it's clear that the 64 bit timer is what's overwriting the important bit of data needed to trigger the ww.

I've worked on trying to bind the tested entrances to proper entrance indexes which you can see at my ww doc link
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VEn4pgibY-MYAC8ecQZxtyrsLXC9ogClDKiTmA66FlQ/edit?usp=sharing
I noticed an oddity though: the WW test doc stated that Mayor's WW lead to milk road, when my data dump suggests that this should be impossible. Can anyone explain? Additionally, please check for errors.

If someone with editing privileges wants to change it on the front page, the trick to get into the graves early with a Goron damage boost actually works on any of the three graves.  Whenever you "check" the grave, Goron Link takes a step back, you just have to position yourself so you step back onto the sloped part of the grave when you check it.  Also for the Day 3 grave it helps to kill one of the two bats since it's right under their tree.

mzxrules wrote

I extracted the data off of a ram dump. It's possible via an exploit in the web browser.

Considering the gibdo mask ww is time based, it's clear that the 64 bit timer is what's overwriting the important bit of data needed to trigger the ww.

I've worked on trying to bind the tested entrances to proper entrance indexes which you can see at my ww doc link
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VEn4pgibY-MYAC8ecQZxtyrsLXC9ogClDKiTmA66FlQ/edit?usp=sharing
I noticed an oddity though: the WW test doc stated that Mayor's WW lead to milk road, when my data dump suggests that this should be impossible. Can anyone explain? Additionally, please check for errors.

Would you mind explaining what the final page means?

BigHairyFart wrote

Does this only work with Gilded Sword? Because in a run you wouldn't have Gilded at that point, and I know the swords have slightly different hitboxes.

This one is much better and more consistent and works with every sword:
http://t.co/TtyXcmPOgd

Just a few things I've discovered so far. They probably were in the original but just in case they weren't, here they are:

A small timesaver when meeting Kafei. If you roll into the wall when you enter the backroom, you can target Kafei through it and talk to him.

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An odd semi-OoB part in the mountain pass. Leaving a snow boulder near a large crack in the wall let's you roll up the wall. From there you can side hop up into the crack. Looks to be useless, but w/e.

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xdflames wrote

Wrath definitely, but with perfect quick spins against the wall Incarnation is easier to kill, and doesn't require constant mask switching.

If you do it right, after first arrow you shouldn't have to switch back til Wrath.

Also, I havn't seen anyone else do it, but you can get an extra hit in on Goht with fire arrows when he gets up to run again, they will still hurt him when he's moving if it hits the right spot

So since you can RI with Deku flower, I noticed you don't need an usable to make RI work, you can just switch it with an empty button and works, could this mean something with Deku + bombs = something big in cycle 1? O.o GG grezzo with the buttons and RI #Kappa

Iirc Gaby, someone a while back said something about being able to get bombs or something first cycle. Definitely something to look into.

It's simple, the Bomb Shop owner allows you to buy them as Deku. You cannot buy anything from the Trading Post, so you'll need the Deku Nut from the chest before the Termina portal in order to use bombs. Swapping with a blank button (I/X/Y/II) cannot work before unlocking nuts due to B being faded when in the air otherwise.

Ohh, so you do need to get nuts, i was just trying in my normal file, i only had deku on 2 and bombs on X, nothing else, went into the flower flew out and when i swapped with empty Y it made it visible, didnt know is cuz nuts were on B xD
I've been trying out, long jumps, bomb recoils and stuff with Deku in ECT and SCT, no luck in any yet :\

I skipped the elegy puzzle in stone tower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn0PixMOKKQ

This was the final piece of the puzzle for skipping elegy and mirror shield in any% thanks to gymnast for finding a way to skip the mirror shield in the mirror room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXbnjpya0s

This allows us to do a transition warp with gibdo mask BA in order to get to stone tower temple early and skip the entirety of stone tower!

Wow! Loving the new RI method, I've tried it three times and succeeded three times; so easy to just hit L + the item. Easiest and fastest way to become FD Link anywhere :P

Welp apparently we still need a way to clip into the milk bar... evrybody, please find a way to do this!!

lol I was playing by the pond in Clock Town wearing the Fierce Deity Mask, and I noticed he is tall enough to reach to jump up on the wall to the left of where you enter. You can then walk on the wall until you're above the door to where Kafei is hiding, where I jumped out of bounds and reached the loading zone with a jump slash. I didn't do any of that sidequest and this was on the night of the final day, and the Curiosity Shop guy was there and gave me the letter to Kafei's mother.

This probably has basically no use at all, just thought I should mention it anyway! Oh, and perhaps it's possible to reach up and grab that wall with a Zora gainer? I can't do it, I suck at it.

Sebastian9kplus wrote

This probably has basically no use at all, just thought I should mention it anyway! Oh, and perhaps it's possible to reach up and grab that wall with a Zora gainer? I can't do it, I suck at it.

You can do it with just a Zora sidehop: http://youtu.be/1Dww8bA91cw

thestickystickman wrote

Would you mind explaining what the final page means?

The Wrong Warp (All) tab lists a subset of all theoretical wrong warps possible in Majora's Mask 3D. The full list of theoretical wrong warps isn't there because it would be over 50k records

With OoT/MM wrong warps, the two primary components are an entrance index and a scene setup number, so normally you'd need both. However in MM the entrance index is a composite of three variables:

(index & 0xF800) >> 9 = External Scene
(index & 0x01F0) >> 5 = Spawn Number
(index & 0x000F)      = Unused? component, but functionally equivalent to factoring in the scene setup number

So the entrance index and scene setup components are combined together. I also dropped entrances that don't normally exist.

Edit: I also should point out that if new revisions are released, it could change the available wrong warps

benstephens1000 wrote

You can do it with just a Zora sidehop: http://youtu.be/1Dww8bA91cw

Cool! Thanks. Easy way to get both Postman Hat and that bottle without having to redo the sidequest.

benstephens1000 wrote

Welp apparently we still need a way to clip into the milk bar... evrybody, please find a way to do this!!

I was able to ledge clip between the Milk Bar and the one side. But fell down. Gonna keep trying til I stand on the ground.

In the search for milk bar clip, keep in my that this will be after doing some BA for 4th day so we can technically have fierce diety or rock sirloin to help us clip, even though I'm doubtful that either could help.

We also have access to a cucco from the Bombers' test, however that may help.

Thing with that is, Grezzo moved the Cucco Bombers kid, he's in a different part of the Town now and hides under a box...

Hmm, maybe there is collision behind the sign. Time a bomb and ledge clip maybe? http://i.imgur.com/KShVxx3.jpg

I tried the clip all day with FD and a bomb, and i didn't touch the loading zone for like frames ;( neither a jump slash can't make it

Pedalpowertoast wrote

Thing with that is, Grezzo moved the Cucco Bombers kid, he's in a different part of the Town now and hides under a box...

The sad thing is I've already done the test to see the changes and should have known. I've made several trips to WCT for the bank when it's not there anymore; aspects of the original are still ingrained in me.

Instead of finding a way to get inside, maybe find a way to not get kicked out? Pausing is the original's method. You're allowed inside until 9pm.

benstephens1000 wrote

I skipped the elegy puzzle in stone tower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn0PixMOKKQ

This was the final piece of the puzzle for skipping elegy and mirror shield in any% thanks to gymnast for finding a way to skip the mirror shield in the mirror room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXbnjpya0s

This allows us to do a transition warp with gibdo mask BA in order to get to stone tower temple early and skip the entirety of stone tower!

Nice.
That room is quite a bit different in 3D. Always a disadvantge not having the actual game yet. :D

With that high block you might even be able to backflip on that upside down chest as zora and get oob that way. Worth a try, I'd say.

benstephens1000 wrote

Welp apparently we still need a way to clip into the milk bar... evrybody, please find a way to do this!!

So I guess there is no way to get there before 9? And getting the mask would take a lot of time...

Regarding the ideas that have been thrown around so far: There is no oob floor there and the sign has a solid back wall.

I don't see a way to clip, unless slope clip is still a thing, which I kinda doubt.

Heart piece duplication!! You need 5th Day to do this:

1. Save at Mountain Village with Gibdo Mask slot changed to a bottle.
2. Quit the game, get a stopwatch.
3. Start a timer when you open the game.
4. When timer reaches 1:25, catch HSW.
5. Inverted Song of Time quickly. If purple banner says 2nd/Final Day, start over.*
6. Soar to town.
7. Speak to the carpenter carrying wood.
8. Carpenter will stay in place. Put on Postman's hat and check mailbox.
9. You'll move around with the text. Hookshot the 20 Rupee chest.
10. Face the camera to the mailbox and open the chest.
11. Gold Rupee will appear on Link but you'll get a heart piece and another.
12. Do not check the mailbox. Go back in time.
13. Repeat all steps. You get two pieces each time.

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Notes:
The carpenter will either have to be close enough to the mailbox, or to have the camera facing him when you check.
Tapping buttons will not work when you move around with text, so only B/X/Y can be used.
*If you take Ocarina out fast enough to not see purple banner, you'll be on 0th Day so advance to midnight before soaring out to take you to dawn of 5th Day.
Google docs for 5th Day stuff can be viewed here.

Pretty sure this is kinda useless but while Practicing Music house clip i kinda got distracted and i was wondering if i could get on top of the House using LongJump.

While i soon found out that there is a Barrier around the top of the House, i kept trying every corner....well this happened.
I'm pretty sure this was found earlier but i was surprised when it happened, but also i'm pretty sure it's kinda useless here.

http://www.twitch.tv/letsremax/c/6197929

What i later discovered is that you cant walk, just turn around and slash you sword.