CloudMax's RTA Any% Route

CloudMax's RTA any% Route (2011-07-04):

Young Link:
•Deku Nuts (15r)
•Walking While Talking Escape (Do NOT get Kokiri Sword!)
•Ocarina
•40r from Chains
•Zelda's Lullaby
•40r from Chains
•Goron City
•Deku Stick from Jar in Darunias room
•Blow up LW rocks with burning Deku Sticks
•LW
•deku Stick Upgrade (Not required if you use the sticks carefully)
•Saria's Song
•Savewarp
•Deku Shield (40r)
•Deku Tree
•LW to Goron City
•Bracelet
•DC
•Magic
•Savewarp
•Up River
•ZD
•Silver Scale
•Ruto Bottle
•Show Letter
•Fish
•Dupe Bottle over Deku Nuts (2 Fishes)
•Jabu
•savewarp
•OoT
•Chain Rupees
•Hylian Shield
•DoT

Adult Link:
•Kakariko Village
•200r Grotto (Kill ReDeads, do not open chest)
•Pocket Egg
•Bugs
•Hookshot
•Lon Lon Stick (20r) (How to)
•Bottle on B
•RBA Egg (Adult Wallet)
•200r Grotto (open chest)
•Wake up Talon
•Trade for Cojiro
•Goron City (Giant's Knife 200r)
•LW
•Trade for Odd Mushroom
•RBA Odd Mushroom
•Forest Temple
•Remove Timer (Reset or Die)
•Bow
•Savewarp
•Exit Forest Temple
•Savewarp
•LACS
•Skip Trials
•Kill dorf
•Kill ganon

Silver Scale + Ruto Bottle + King Zora Scene is faster than bottle in Kakariko + King Zora Skip?

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Silver Scale + Ruto Bottle + King Zora Scene is faster than bottle in Kakariko + King Zora Skip?

If this route uses RBA then:
Silver Scale + Ruto Bottle + King Zora Scene is required on the 3DS version because, you need the Iron Boots to become swordless and skipping King Zora's scene makes a dead end 7 years later, blocking the entrance to Zora's Fountain, frozen in Red Ice.

Greenalink wrote

If this route uses RBA then:
Silver Scale + Ruto Bottle + King Zora Scene is required on the 3DS version because, you need the Iron Boots to become swordless and skipping King Zora's scene makes a dead end 7 years later, blocking the entrance to Zora's Fountain, frozen in Red Ice.

Has anyone tried triple slash clip in the acute angle that you usually jumpslash through in the original?

I still say get kakariko bottle.

BTW, people don't seem to realize this route skips iron boots. You should post an adult route so people understand whats going on

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BTW, people don't seem to realize this route skips iron boots. You should post an adult route so people understand whats going on

^^^^
This please ;)
Looks like I missed a vital IRC convo.

1. You can triple slash clip KZ. You can also clip him from behind (iirc) w/ a well timed roll while you are melting the red ice as adult. However, this route does not collect the Kokiri Sword, so no triple slashes. We need Ruto's Bottle.

2. This route would use the Lon Lon Ranch RBA method (modified in the 3DS version). This does not need the Iron Boots, but it does require never getting the sword as a child.

3. This route will BA Light Arrows off the Light Arrow cutscene. This allows bow to be skipped (RBA quiver). Using the pedastal of time requires beating Forest Temple, which requires bow to get the boss key.

RingRush wrote

1. You can triple slash clip KZ. You can also clip him from behind (iirc) w/ a well timed roll while you are melting the red ice as adult. However, this route does not collect the Kokiri Sword, so no triple slashes. We need Ruto's Bottle.

2. This route would use the Lon Lon Ranch RBA method (modified in the 3DS version). This does not need the Iron Boots, but it does require never getting the sword as a child.

3. This route will BA Light Arrows off the Light Arrow cutscene. This allows bow to be skipped (RBA quiver). Using the pedastal of time requires beating Forest Temple, which requires bow to get the boss key.

True, we never get kokiri sword, so triple slash clip is indeed impossible.
And we never get iron boots :D

For the Child route you could get Farore's Wind and 18 deku nuts. After LJJ you catch a fish in bottle. Go adult, hookshot and do the forest temple. Use the fish cutscene interupt and skip the poes. Lon Lon Bottle B, BA Hoverboots and do Ganon's Castle Early, then do trials skip and use Farore's Wind. Exit Castle and BA light Arrows to B
EDIT: Thank you ringrush for poiting out that this idea is flawed.

We're trying to avoid the Forest Temple completely as getting there, getting the bow (required for BK), and completing it takes forever. Secondly, when you BA any Farore's Wind point previously set is lost. Finally, this route isn't even current since it is for sure going to change with the new start-the-game-with-an-item-on-B trick.

RingRush wrote

We're trying to avoid the Forest Temple completely as getting there, getting the bow (required for BK), and completing it takes forever. Secondly, when you BA any Farore's Wind point previously set is lost. Finally, this route isn't even current since it is for sure going to change with the new start-the-game-with-an-item-on-B trick.

Call it Newgame Plus insted of "start-the-game-with-an-item-on-B" =)
Makes sense, kind off.  And it sounds cool.

But yes, forest temple would completely ruin the route. It takes way to long.
We have built it to avoid as much as possible. And at the moment it seems like we have to one cycle ganondorf, as we do not have quiver RBA?

No quiver but bugs on II are linked to your arrow count

qwerty1605 wrote

No quiver but bugs on II are linked to your arrow count

We know that bugs are linked to arrow count. It is just link on n64. We have already tried to BA about 20 different items in total.

But yes, we need to find a new way to rba quiver, or one cycle ganondorf.

The hylian shield costs 80r not 60r.

I updated the route with detailed information, and small improvements.

CloudMax wrote

Adult Link:
•Lon Lon Stick (How to)
•Kakariko Village (Egg)
•GY Bugs
•Bottle on B
•RBA Egg (Adult Wallet)
•Wake up Talon
•Trade for Cojiro

Might wanna reorder this. Maybe get egg and bugs, then do LLR stick, then RBA, then head back toward Kakariko. The egg won't hatch until morning, and time doesn't pass in Kakariko.

You also need to RBA arrows at some point (any time is fine) with bugs on II.

Other things I just noticed:

We don't need to go to the graveyard for anything (unless grave shield is faster than farming chains for cash), so GY bugs are slower than bugs next to the skulltula house.

Need a way to kill all the dudes in Ganon's castle. Right now all you have are bombs (and Deku Nuts to help). Getting 20 chus from Spirit Trial is probably worth it.

I have updated the adult link route with my new awesome rupee route, with improved cucco order :D

I fount out that if you save while in the fishing pond or while riding on a horse, you will keep the item you have on B if you save and reset.
This means that if you get bottle on B, you can just save and exit in the fishing pond, or while on a horse, and you will keep the bottle whne you start up the file again! A great way to savewarp with modified B.

I did this by mistake while messing with the Lon Lon Stick glitch, and it works perfectly.

Followed the current route exactly up to adult. Lon Lon B will not work for me. There must be a strange requirement that must be met. I end up with the Master Sword after following the steps.

Either that or this is a PAL only glitch (Cloudmax is PAL, I am NTSC-U).

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This means that if you get bottle on B, you can just save and exit in the fishing pond, or while on a horse, and you will keep the bottle whne you start up the file again! A great way to savewarp with modified B.

I'm guessing this means it's also ok to do this with Hammer then as well. At the rate it's going, the NG+ route with Hammer will have very few segments because of the restrictions on where to save and NOT lose the non-sword B item.

CloudMax wrote

I fount out that if you save while in the fishing pond or while riding on a horse, you will keep the item you have on B if you save and reset.
This means that if you get bottle on B, you can just save and exit in the fishing pond, or while on a horse, and you will keep the bottle whne you start up the file again! A great way to savewarp with modified B.

I did this by mistake while messing with the Lon Lon Stick glitch, and it works perfectly.

I think that's what Grimic was saying in the other topic.

Maxx wrote

I think that's what Grimic was saying in the other topic.

Ohh, well. Props to him for finding it first then I guess.
I did not really understand what he said in the thread (and that is why I asked you guys in the thread if you understood is a several time xD)
However, this was actually logical. I had already done it a several times without even thinking about it.
It is linked to the method of starting with an item on B.
It was just like I said, if you save/exit while riding on epona, it gives the item back to B when you load your new file.

I said it all the time without ever thinking about what I actually was saying, which happened to be a way to save any item on B xD

CloudMax wrote

Ohh, well. Props to him for finding it first then I guess.
I did not really understand what he said in the thread (and that is why I asked you guys in the thread if you understood is a several time xD)
However, this was actually logical. I had already done it a several times without even thinking about it.
It is linked to the method of starting with an item on B.
It was just like I said, if you save/exit while riding on epona, it gives the item back to B when you load your new file.

I said it all the time without ever thinking about what I actually was saying, which happened to be a way to save any item on B xD

That was the basic idea. I was doing this for a while without even knowing it too, so it was as easy to conclude as starting with an item on B after lordpsi99 mentioned Epona.

I just made a third edit to my post in the other thread, with some strange findings on how it can revert your item multiple times in a row. I still have little clue what saving really does to make the B button act this way, but I'm sure some theories can be put together at this point.

Grimic wrote

That was the basic idea. I was doing this for a while without even knowing it too, so it was as easy to conclude as starting with an item on B after lordpsi99 mentioned Epona.

I just made a third edit to my post in the other thread, with some strange findings on how it can revert your item multiple times in a row. I still have little clue what saving really does to make the B button act this way, but I'm sure some theories can be put together at this point.

Incase you didnt know, there is similar glitches in Majoras mask involving epona aswell.
You save while riding on epona, and start up your other file and your other file will be on epona or something...
It is really strange and I do not remember exactly what the glitch did, and how it works, but it all is based on saving while on epona, which was impossible on n64, and that is why these glitches isnt possible on any other n64 game.

However, with the majoras mask glitch and emulators it should be possible to see what actually happens during its saving process, and it probably transfer over to OoT in one way or another as they are based on the same engine.

CloudMax wrote

Incase you didnt know, there is similar glitches in Majoras mask involving epona aswell.
You save while riding on epona, and start up your other file and your other file will be on epona or something...
It is really strange and I do not remember exactly what the glitch did, and how it works, but it all is based on saving while on epona, which was impossible on n64, and that is why these glitches isnt possible on any other n64 game.

do you have a vid of this or something? Never heard of it.

Kaztalek wrote

do you have a vid of this or something? Never heard of it.

Here is a video with multiple epona glitches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgiCgZPwbOk

All of them is related to saving on epona.
It is pretty sick. The glitch is very, very old and is fun to play around with.

I know about epona glitches i meant specifically having the other file on epona from a diff file

id like to know how to do that

Kaztalek wrote

I know about epona glitches i meant specifically having the other file on epona from a diff file

id like to know how to do that

Either I remember incorrectly, or I just cant find a video.
But I think there was a glitch related to using 2 files...
It was about 2 years ago, so I could be wrong.

However, the point is that saving on epona is bugged. It has always been. It is just that nintendo prevented you from saving on epona in oot64

What if we use the forest bk skip (and maybe medaillon cs skip with shroom timer) then savewarp to tot and ba light arrow?