WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

So guys, I just realised, I don't need to go all the way to the earth temple/wind temple to get sword with BiT.

I can just do the FF1 hero's sword skip with GS text skip. before the 2nd pirate ship, I'll get some forest water and make my way up to the hero's sword that I didn't pick up on my first trip to FF1.

Right.... this is going to take some thinking...

I'll need to BiT the bow and then go complete FF1 using GS text skip AND without picking up the sword (by defeating the last enemy with the bow) then I'll need to go complete DRC without a sword and then go to the deku tree and kill all the chus on his face with the bow. then I'll have to go to forbidden woods and kill the enemies there with the bow then beat the temple. then I'll have to bottle some forest water and sail to GFI. then I'll sail to windfall and enter the pirate ship. this should give me atleast 5-10 mins left on my forest water. the pirate ship will turn into the FF1 pirate ship and I'll go back to FF1 with the sword still there. I'll make my way up to the sword again and wait for the forest water to run out so I can do BiT with hero's sword..

And then finally I'll have a sword right at the start of the game and it would skip the telescope and the tunic providing I can actually save tetra before the cutscene where she falls into the forest. and I geuss it would be fun to play around with. it might also mean you can do BiT with tunic after that or BiT with telescope.

Edit: I've also been thinking of places where BiT arrows might have some odd effects. for example, getting the ballad of gales way before ToG might be strange. or light arrows (because this will hopefully give you ice/fire too) because you can get the iron boots or power bracelet early.

Edit 2: okay, I've just tried BiT with the bow and It doesn't work. Theres no bow when I press start. I'm not sure why it doesn't work and a heart piece does but that's the fact. I'll try again later but if bow doesn't work then i'm sure theres another item we can use in the place of bow, or we could do the FF1 hover to skip hero sword and find ways arround the places you need to kill enemies in forbidden woods . OR, and I'm not too sure about this one, we can go get bombs with superswim and complete forbiden woods with bombs. although after you get the bombs, i'm not too sure if the pirate ship we need dissapears from windfall or if it dissapears after you get jabun's pearl.

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OR, and I'm not too sure about this one, we can go get bombs with superswim and complete forbiden woods with bombs

from where? from fairys? because they cost 1000 rupees at the start I think...

GlitchesAndStuff wrote

So guys, I just realised, I don't need to go all the way to the earth temple/wind temple to get sword with BiT.

I can just do the FF1 hero's sword skip with GS text skip. before the 2nd pirate ship, I'll get some forest water and make my way up to the hero's sword that I didn't pick up on my first trip to FF1.

Right.... this is going to take some thinking...

I'll need to BiT the bow and then go complete FF1 using GS text skip AND without picking up the sword (by defeating the last enemy with the bow) then I'll need to go complete DRC without a sword and then go to the deku tree and kill all the chus on his face with the bow. then I'll have to go to forbidden woods and kill the enemies there with the bow then beat the temple. then I'll have to bottle some forest water and sail to GFI. then I'll sail to windfall and enter the pirate ship. this should give me atleast 5-10 mins left on my forest water. the pirate ship will turn into the FF1 pirate ship and I'll go back to FF1 with the sword still there. I'll make my way up to the sword again and wait for the forest water to run out so I can do BiT with hero's sword..

And then finally I'll have a sword right at the start of the game and it would skip the telescope and the tunic providing I can actually save tetra before the cutscene where she falls into the forest. and I geuss it would be fun to play around with. it might also mean you can do BiT with tunic after that or BiT with telescope.

Edit: I've also been thinking of places where BiT arrows might have some odd effects. for example, getting the ballad of gales way before ToG might be strange. or light arrows (because this will hopefully give you ice/fire too) because you can get the iron boots or power bracelet early.

Edit 2: okay, I've just tried BiT with the bow and It doesn't work. Theres no bow when I press start. I'm not sure why it doesn't work and a heart piece does but that's the fact. I'll try again later but if bow doesn't work then i'm sure theres another item we can use in the place of bow, or we could do the FF1 hover to skip hero sword and find ways arround the places you need to kill enemies in forbidden woods . OR, and I'm not too sure about this one, we can go get bombs with superswim and complete forbiden woods with bombs. although after you get the bombs, i'm not too sure if the pirate ship we need dissapears from windfall or if it dissapears after you get jabun's pearl.

Looks like you've put some thought into all this.

okay, I've tried to BiT the hammer and it doesn't work. and nor does bow. so I'm geussing main items in chests don't work. However the leaf does work (although it's impossible to then save that BiT file with the leaf on it). and because you have to pick up the leaf, I'm hoping FF1 hero's sword will work too.

so I'm afraid we've got a dead end here until somone can do this FF1 hover trick. since BiT doesn't work on emu, we can only do it on console. I need to work on my hovering skills and I will get this on console one day XD but I'm sure one of you pros like ani or cosmo will get it sooner.

you need to do GS text skip at the start then you need to hover into the loading zone of what would be the helmaroc fight in FF2. alternatively, you could hover into one of the hearts right outside the door and beat the enemy with the stick you have.

Edit: some people have been saying that by SDA's standards BiT won't be useful because timing starts from the pre-BiT file. I agree with this however I just thought of something that may make it useful. if we could do BiT at FF1 and then make it past the GS text and save, I think it would mean that when you savewarp to outset and get on the pirate ship again, it would have bombs in it and be on windfall. correct me if I'm wrong but it's what I thought.

GlitchesAndStuff wrote

Edit: some people have been saying that by SDA's standards BiT won't be useful because timing starts from the pre-BiT file. I agree with this however I just thought of something that may make it useful. if we could do BiT at FF1 and then make it past the GS text and save, I think it would mean that when you savewarp to outset and get on the pirate ship again, it would have bombs in it and be on windfall. correct me if I'm wrong but it's what I thought.

Not sure about the pirate ship cause we probably won't be that lucky. But, it's worth a try. Even if BiT turns out not to be very useful it would still be fun to mess around with.

ZFG wrote

Question about 0 heart WW dive: At what point will the barrier hit you back?  As soon as you reach the height of the very bottom of the barrier or higher?  I was thinking it might be possible to hover low until you pass Ganon's Castle loading zone then start gaining height and have the barrier knock you into the loading zone, but I'm guessing the barrier will hit you before you can reach that height/distance from the loading zone.  just an idea.

The barrier has no bottom. It extends infinitely up and down. Think of an infinitely tall cylinder around the castle. Once you leave that cylinder, you can be hit by the barrier.

Finally got the forest water glitch I found uploaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmw3guaedQ. I have solved the problems with my camera!

Manocheese wrote

The barrier has no bottom. It extends infinitely up and down. Think of an infinitely tall cylinder around the castle. Once you leave that cylinder, you can be hit by the barrier.

no, you're wrong. the soldid cylinder around hyrule does stop. that's why you can get past it with leaf. and the damage barrier has a floor (but it still knocks you back when you get below that floor)

GlitchesAndStuff wrote

no, you're wrong. the soldid cylinder around hyrule does stop. that's why you can get past it with leaf. and the damage barrier has a floor (but it still knocks you back when you get below that floor)

Seems like an interesting thing to note. It would really be nice if we could find a way to get on the ledge without the hookshot.

GlitchesAndStuff wrote

no, you're wrong. the soldid cylinder around hyrule does stop. that's why you can get past it with leaf. and the damage barrier has a floor (but it still knocks you back when you get below that floor)

I'm talking about the damage barrier that knocks Link down, not the invisible wall. That should have been obvious from my post and ZFG's. What you're talking about is a ceiling, not a floor.

Manocheese wrote

I'm talking about the damage barrier that knocks Link down, not the invisible wall. That should have been obvious from my post and ZFG's. What you're talking about is a ceiling, not a floor.

well whatever, it's just what you said is incorrect: "The barrier has no bottom. It extends infinitely up and down."

The damage barrier is EVERYWHERE not in the cylinder around Hyrule Castle, and it extends out, up, and down infinitely. The WALL barrier does not have a floor or ceiling, which is why if we cancel the damage barrier and Wind Waker dive down enough, we can go past the wall barrier.

I want no more confusion.

Red is the damage barrier, not-red cylinder is not damage barrier. Around the cylinder is a wall.

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Clear enough? Can we move on now?

nice picture Klyde.

so anyway, you can get fall damage while already flashing red. if it doesn't start a new red flashing, we might be able to pull out the wind waker just as it stops flashing at 0 health. we also need a way to get onto the roof I was talking about earlier.

but how you can actually recover life without tingle? The only solution I think is to enter to ganon tower with 0 hearts, but this sounds imposible(?) when I saw this big cilinder protecting the castle.

NOKAUBURE wrote

but how you can actually recover life without tingle? The only solution I think is to enter to ganon tower with 0 hearts, but this sounds imposible(?) when I saw this big cilinder protecting the castle.

we'd hover into ganon's castle or kill the keese with a bomb so they drop a heart

GlitchesAndStuff wrote

if it doesn't start a new red flashing, we might be able to pull out the wind waker just as it stops flashing at 0 health.

Link dies far too soon before the red flashing ends.

Might have a solution to the health problem if I can find a way to get on the ledge without the hookshot.

Razor7581 wrote

Might have a solution to the health problem if I can find a way to get on the ledge without the hookshot.

Why not just share your idea so people are more motivated, or people with cheating devices can test it and see if it's truly worth all the effort?

By the way, are the previous Razor we knew and just happened to forget your password? Or by some slim chance are you another Razor?

(I missed the signature before, whoops)

KlydeStorm wrote

Why not just share your idea so people are more motivated, or people with cheating devices can test it and see if it's truly worth all the effort?

By the way, are the previous Razor we knew and just happened to forget your password? Or by some slim chance are you another Razor?

(I missed the signature before, whoops)

Yeah. Forgot my password. But, anyway, my idea is to get inside the barrier and try to use a 'gainer' to grab onto the ledge and clip through the invisible wall with a bomb. I know the ledge close to that is grabbable, so from your vid I thought grabbing it was an idea. I'm messing around with other glitch theories that may or may not help with barrier skip.

Razor7581 wrote

But, anyway, my idea is to get inside the barrier and try to use a 'gainer' to grab onto the ledge and clip through the invisible wall with a bomb. I know the ledge close to that is grabbable, so from your vid I thought grabbing it was an idea.

A problem there, you can't grab onto the ledge, on either side. If you could, what's stopping someone from leafing off the steps before over to it and grabbing the edge? There's also a giant invisible wall preventing you from grabbing it, even if you could grab onto the ledge.

KlydeStorm wrote

There's also a giant invisible wall preventing you from grabbing it, even if you could grab onto the ledge.

Yes that was my fear. I thought there might be an exception since most invisible walls are one-way. Oh well. Perhaps there's a way to clip into the wall to grab the ledge.
Quick question: For the trials skip with bomb ledge clip, can you get behind the door without double magic meter?

Razor7581 wrote

Perhaps there's a way to clip into the wall to grab the ledge.

No, there's no way we can ever grab that particular edge. The edge closest to the pit, maybe, but that's still really pushing it.

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Quick question: For the trials skip with bomb ledge clip, can you get behind the door without double magic meter?

I do not know.

KlydeStorm wrote

No, there's no way we can ever grab that particular edge. The edge closest to the pit, maybe, but that's still really pushing it.

Not that ledge. I'm talking about the original ledge the GlitchesandStuff hookshot clipped on top of.

EDIT:
Tested a new theory today. Using Manocheese's clip in hyrule, I thought it would be an idea to see if we could clip into the 'railing' with a backflip & the deku leaf. Haven't had any luck, but I thought maybe someone would have a suggestion.

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Don't believe that the railing and wall are on the same plane, but I've almost gotten up there. Might try zombie hover, but for the practical use deku leaf and/or bombs required.

Going to start route testing soon. I know barrier skip isn't done yet, but I have a pretty good idea of what it will require.

After beginning route testing today this is what I have so far:
1. Opening Cutscene (may or may not save after)
2. Sidehop, swim, roll to grandma's house
3. Climb latter, get clothes
4. Roll, swim to aryll
5. Equip telescope, postman
- Cutscene
6. Sidehop, swim, roll to orca's
7. Do quick sword method
8. Roll to Tetra
9. Quick bokoblin battle
-Cutscene
10. Roll to grandma's
11. Climb latter, backflip down for shield
EDIT: Collect Orange rupee under grandma's house
12. Roll to Tetra
-Cutscene
13. Quick rope game
14. Climb latter
-Cutscene
15. Roll & do quick 2nd search light trick (not sure if GS text skip causes problems, so didn't include it)
16. Lure bokoblin & quick spin kill
17. Jump to first search light, quick kill
18. Rolling, Rolling, Rolling
19. Hug the wall to roll past moblin
20. Sidles
21. Sword, quick kill bokoblin
-Cutscene
22. Get Tingle Tuner & Sail
23. Quick sail to DR, collect red rupee along way
24. WW & wind's requiem, make wind blow south
25. Skip the rocks
-Long shitty cutscene/Delivery Bag
26. Roll to Medli, get letter
27. Roll to Komali
28. To Medli
(Not sure if bottle skip would save time or waste it. Needs confirmation)
29. Bottle, Blow up rock, Swim
30. Bomb boost over lava Jumpslash is quicker by a few seconds
31. Enter DRC & Save
Note: Sometime before DRC we should collect 20 more rupees for hover costs. Possibly sail rupees. Fixed step 23^

This is a very vague outline of the route as of now. I did not include save spots, as they are to be discussed. I will improve as I continue testing and get suggestions. (Need to buy GBA-GCN connector cable)

There's a better route for Sail rupees than the orange under Grandma's house, but we might need it anyway because of Tingle Tuner costs.

Tbh I don't know where Wind Waker is right now. Is it even necessary to go to DRC?

Phazon wrote

There's a better route for Sail rupees than the orange under Grandma's house, but we might need it anyway because of Tingle Tuner costs.

Tbh I don't know where Wind Waker is right now. Is it even necessary to go to DRC?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing about the orange rupee. I'd say it's necessary to go to DRC as KoRL won't let you sail anywhere else and zombie hover takes too long. Perhaps superswim to FF2 early for EMS would be an option, but we'd still need to go to FH. I'm still testing with it and will tell about what I find. School started today, so I may not be too quick about it.

EMS is not an option, at all. It ends in a dead-end with not being able to break the barrier, ever.

Before you say "barrier skip", we don't have it yet.

KlydeStorm wrote

EMS is not an option, at all. It ends in a dead-end with not being able to break the barrier, ever.

Before you say "barrier skip", we don't have it yet.

I know we don't have barrier skip yet. I'm working on it, and I don't want to argue about it right now. However, I'm not completely taking EMS off yet, though I do highly doubt its use.

I was looking for the earth temple tricks and I saw a poor "trick compilation", I did a playlist so someone should add them into the site