OoT3D: Questions & Answer

benstephens1000 wrote

That is impossible, because the heart piece can only be obtained as young link, and young link is only able to wrong warp into cutscenes and there is no cutscene up there unfortunately. There are a couple wrong warps that will take you to a cutscene, you'll fall oob, and then you'll respawn in an area with no CS but those aren't common and I don't think there are any around gerudo fortress. Mostly every WW related to GF just takes you to the end credits :P

What? A wrong warp should work the same whether your young link or adult link (unless you land on oob geometry that only pushes adult link off [points to avatar]). In 64, you can wrong warp to areas that don't have any cutscenes fine, so not sure if you're talking about a 3D only thing, or if you have no clue what you're talking about.

But anyway, unless you get lucky and find a cutscene that puts you where you need to be, its impossible to wrong warp to the heart piece in Gerudo Fortress. The two possible entrances that you'd wrong warp to are 02DE (which puts you at the top of Gerudo Fortress) and 04B2 (Which puts you in the Thieves Hideout, next to the entrance to the top of Gerudo Fortress). The only method of wrong warping at your disposal would be Farore's Wind, but the problem with that is that is that the two entrances you'd have to store in Farore's Wind, 02DA and 04AE, put you at Gerudo Fortress and the same segment of the Thieves Hideout respectively... meaning that you'd just end up at the spot where you set Farore Wind anyway (unless a cutscene plays and changes that).

Well, sorry for my "bad ideas" I'm trying to help. Wrong warping seems plausible as does longshot on B. and since you say "allegedly crashes" that means you nor anyone else has really tried it yet. Maybe you should try this ideas before saying that don't work.

WW only works with CSs as young link because he can only wrong warp from blue warps that play CSs in OoT3D i.e. Deku, DC, IJJ, and Fire Temple. For some reason that's the only way you can WW from these blue warps. Also hookshot on b as young link does not crash the game, it softlocks because there is no hookshot animation for young link. Trust me, it has been tried before, and you're not the first one to think of it.

If you try to use the hook/longshot as a child, he won't pull it out, and you lose control of Link. It's possible to get out of it if your walking/running and angled toward an exit before you pull the hookshot.

benstephens1000 wrote

WW only works with CSs as young link because he can only wrong warp from blue warps that play CSs in OoT3D i.e. Deku, DC, IJJ, and Fire Temple. For some reason that's the only way you can WW from these blue warps.

That doesn't explain why you can't wrong warp to Gerudo Fortress and get the heart piece.

Kzar5678 wrote

Well, sorry for my "bad ideas" I'm trying to help.

I don't really care if you're trying. Either way you're just giving bad advice.

Kzar5678 wrote

and since you say "allegedly crashes" that means you nor anyone else has really tried it yet.

Are you really this naive? NG+ has been around for over a year, do you really think people haven't tried to use the hook/longshot of all things? I only said "allegedly" since I haven't tried it myself- but rest assured it's been documented. If you would like to prove me wrong then feel free to test it yourself!

Also, I should point out that I said that the game hangs, not crashes.

Kzar5678 wrote

Maybe you should try this ideas before saying that don't work.

Says the guy suggesting Farore's Wind through time, hookshot as a kid, and wacky wrong warp hijinks.

Is the stupid extra heart piece really worth all this idiotic arguing over? Imo, if you have to ww to it, it isn't worth it, since FWWW is kind of ridiculous on 3DS.

And corn, there are nicer ways to tell new people they aren't making much sense, i.e.: You aren't making much sense, so please think a bit more before posting next time.

I come in here looking for a confirmation and am met with fumbling attempts at answers from those who are even less aware of the situation then I am. Excuse me for being blunt.

Also, I don't care if you think something is worth getting to or not. That's my call.

Yeah, I agree with Norkix anyway. That PoH doesn't net you a new heart container (if India then that would be a different story)and doesn't do anything. Other than a new goal for oot3d bingo I think it's pretty useless.
And you don't need to be an ass about it corn. Next time, maybe people won't listen to you and even TRY to help you because honestly, when we do try, we're met with an uptight ass who thinks he knows everything. If you really want that PoH, find your own damn way.

Kzar5678 wrote

Yeah, I agree with Norkix anyway. That PoH doesn't net you a new heart container (if it then that would be a different story)

Not really, given the Dampe glitch. It's just something to do.

Kzar5678 wrote

I think it's pretty useless.

That's nice but irrelevant. It's something I was interested in getting, your opinion on it doesn't matter in this case.

Kzar5678 wrote

And you don't need to be an ass about it corn. Next time, maybe people won't listen to you and even TRY to help you because honestly, when we do try, we're met with an uptight ass who thinks he knows everything. 

This is actually funny. I asked since I clearly DON'T think I know everything. At least benstephens1000 eventually got himself up to speed with the situation and was able to come to a conclusion. You waltzed in and started spitballing with absolutely no awareness of the situation at all. It's patronizing really, and yes, I would be glad if posters like you would refrain from trying to give answers.

Kzar5678 wrote

If you really want that PoH, find your own damn way.

I tried with no luck, and have since concluded that others haven't had much progress either. I appreciate the "damn" suggestion though.

To segue awkardly to a less hostile question, whenabouts do I warp to ww? every time, I get warped to a glitched out Emerald cs.

If you go the cutscene you timed it really late. The timing for the blue warp is when the camera is slightly under the middle of the screen. If you do that you will perform a sucessful wrong warp. If you time it slightly after that you will see Link rising on the blue warp, which either lead to infinite oob or the game crashing. You must have timed it later than that for if you saw a glitched cutscene.

So like, right after the spin-aroundy fish-eye thing?

Yeah, sort of. It's right when it starts to shrink in size.

Alright, I've been trying to learn RBA and so far, I can do the glitch very reliably. I have a few questions though.
1) My B is locked now (after it was a bottle) and I want my sword back. Forest fire and water are not beat so I can't child/adult and I don't have biggoron sword. Is there another way to get master sword back on b? (if not then I'll go get BGS)
2) the charts in oot3d page confuse me. If I do RBA with the Old Poultice, I will get all of te items listed below? Or do I need to put a specific thing in the bottle (instead of bugs) to get the various items. If that's the case, what do I need to put in the bottle to learn the Reqium?

Kzar5678 wrote

Alright, I've been trying to learn RBA and so far, I can do the glitch very reliably. I have a few questions though.
1) My B is locked now (after it was a bottle) and I want my sword back. Forest fire and water are not beat so I can't child/adult and I don't have biggoron sword. Is there another way to get master sword back on b? (if not then I'll go get BGS)
2) the charts in oot3d page confuse me. If I do RBA with the Old Poultice, I will get all of te items listed below? Or do I need to put a specific thing in the bottle (instead of bugs) to get the various items. If that's the case, what do I need to put in the bottle to learn the Reqium?

Don't know about #1

For #2: The way RBA works is that it overwrites memory with the value of a bottle item (the item on B). So what item you put on B changes what songs you have when RBAing with the Odd Poultice on II.

Now, in this particular part of memory, one bit stores what song you know/don't know. The table shows which bit records what song



So say you put bugs on B. Bugs have a value of 29 or 0001 1100 in binary. Since each one'd bit represents one unlocked song, you just have to line up the bits to see what songs are obtained/lost



Thus you end up with lullaby, prelude, and Nocturne, but lose the other songs listed on that table.

So if I am understanding this correctly, I can't learn the Requim via RBA because none of the bottle binary values have a 1 in the second of right slot.

Kzar5678 wrote

So if I am understanding this correctly, I can't learn the Requim via RBA because none of the bottle binary values have a 1 in the second of right slot.

Half-milk †† 31 0001 1111

Requiem of Spirit 0000 0010

xD

Okay...so how do I catch a half milk in a bottle? :/

go to death mountain trail and follow the path that leads to the crater.

on the way you should see a grotto hole enter it and you'll see a cow there.

play Epona's song then drink the milk you receive.

you now have half a bottle of milk ;D

Edit: Im a retard because I was thinking of something else :P you have to bottle dupe the milk onto B...

To half-milk RBA you have to have something on C> (er... on 2) that points to something with the value of full milk, 26. Since that would also require requiem of spirit, uh, it's not really that useful unless you have requiem already and want to RBA and keep it. In maybe a couple of cases it can be used to get something in a slot that you otherwise couldn't (like, I forget the example I found on OoT, but it was something like getting the goron bracelet in your quiver slot), but those are also useless. Only it's really good for is something like bombchus, to get a few extra.

Unless something's different about 3D, the cows (and shops and poes and etc.) only recognize your legitimate bottles.

Sigh. I guess I'll have to navigate the Desert Collosus mirrored then if I can't RBA the Requim (since I want to complete shadow and spirit w/o beating fire and water and I forgot to get the LoT Before I became an adult). Or I'll just say screw it as beat forest fire and water and try my route again from the beginning, remembering to get TW LoT :P

About the RI glitch : Can we do this with I and II buttons or it's just with Y/X ?
Because I am trying since 15min and I can't get it to work while I can easily do this with Y/X

It is possible to do it with I and II, but Y/X are recommended, because they are actual buttons.

As for why you aren't getting it, remember that this is almost a frame-perfect trick, and when people on consoles need to do frame-perfect tricks, they mash. I mashed to do this trick in the beginning, but then I began trying to learn the exact timing of the button press. I now get RI 90% of the time casually (i.e. Steal the Rod glitch) and about 60% when under pressure (i.e. RI FWWW) and I do not mash. The reason under pressure is so much lower is because it's usually for a trick I only get one chance at, so I push the button too early from nerves. I'm learning to slow down though ;)

I hope that helped even though I rambled a bit. While I'm here, I have my own question: are there any useful Adult wws or are they all cs skips? If they're all cs skips, where do you put the warp points? In Toast's vid, it appears the point was set in the boss room. Is it this way for all adult dungeons? I need to know this kind of stuff before I get back to routing 100%.

Only the fire temple warps to CS.  The rest can warp anywhere, as long as you set the warp where you want to go.

Thanks for your reply Norkix :­)
I have the timing with X/Y (I do not mash), I'm like you, I get RI 90% of the time, but when I try with I/II, I fail everytime.

And about the fact that when you try RI FWWW you get it only 60% of time, I think it's because you have to RI just before touching the ground.
I get the impression that when I open the item menu too early (in mid-air) even if I get the RI, it's immediatly canceled, am I right ?

You're close. The time in which FW can be used is several frames and then it runs out. Therefore, you need to time items right before the sidehop ends, so the message box will immediately trigger the warp.

hey

I was wondering if I had all the items (not including the hammer and special arrows)

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sorry about the quality :P

Edit: Im wondering cause I just got the secret gauntlets and I fooled around with bottle on B...and I might have bottle duped an item....(I only had 3 bottles before I stared :P)

wait I just noticed my slingshot ammo was green at zero as you can see in the picture xD so I went to the shooting gallery and got the bigger bag but I still feel like Im missing something....

Does "Kiddy Capers" still work in 3D? Basically what you do is you set a FW point, then when you pay to ride at lon lon ranch, you warp away. Then if you play a minigame that replaces B, it'll get stuck there.

Ok so I tested that and I didn't get stuck or anything

What I did:
Set FW at shooting gallery
Pay to ride at Lon Lon
FW to gallery
Play game

The timer was frozen at the bottom during the game but continued after I stopped playing and when I left the gallery all my items were grayed out (exept for my boots of course)
And so was my sword....

Btw I layed an FW after I paid to ride and  Then I returned to warp point after the time was up and now I have infinite time inside the horse area ;D

Kiddy capers the one where you pay to ride, warp out, go back in time and play a game right? If so, I did that and got the slingshot stuck on B (as a child), so i think it works.