Low% Segmented

You never obtain bombs - you just have a picture of them. They are in no way accesible without further items.

Yeah, that's what I figured it was. ;D

ING-X wrote

Hey i just thought of something - if having deku sticks on b (but not having them in your inventory) counts as obtaining sticks, then why doesn't the same apply to bombs on c-down when you become adult?

is it because the bombs on c-down are unusable unless you rba an amount of them?

Because the people that play low% the most make arbitrary decisions and rules for the category based on what they prefer.

Maxx wrote

Because the people that play low% the most make arbitrary decisions and rules for the category based on what they prefer.

well, low% is a pretty arbitrary category considering there's no real percent counter for the game. if it was like metroid where it actually tracks your percentage there would be no need for a set of rules for low%. but since there is not a percent counter we have to have a set of rules for low%, and the rules of low% are based on what we as a community prefer.

I finally beat low% today ;D I streamed a lot of it and the ganon battle was pro 8)

like jiano said, pause buffering makes low% a bit easier but it's still really damn hard. I highly doubt a low% speedrun will be attempted anytime soon.

Dayum. That makes 3 people now, doesn't it?

In my pseudo-low% I'm just gonna fuck the moat skip and get the damn chicken and egg. It won't matter to me anyway since I'm getting Zelda's Letter anyway. (Assuming I ever get the Lizalfos to cooperate.)

Blizzerk, how the hell did you get the Liz hover on your 2nd attempt? I call H4X0RZ on that one. Seriously. Kudos, I think.

@elminster: why are you not doing the moat skip? it's actually easier than it looks - just take out chu, hold z, jump, then tap r and mash b. i think you have to let go of z after shield dropping the chu but i'm not sure.

Chu megaflip method for moat skip is ez. Also, if you find moat skip hard, you will die as adult.

megaflip wat

i was talking about the damage boosted jumpslash lol

Oh is that all? I could probably do that then.

I know you were talking damage boost, and I was saying to just megaflip instead.

I can across this video and thought I'd ask about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUlZ32Z5pmU

I know he used NL for the flip, but is there any reason why this wouldn't work with a regular chuflip? Cause then this part prolly wouldn't be such a pain in the ass




Edit: Sheit, I just noticed the vid was with young link. >_> probably wouldnt work with adult, eh?

AniMeowzerz wrote

I can across this video and thought I'd ask about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUlZ32Z5pmU

I know he used NL for the flip, but is there any reason why this wouldn't work with a regular chuflip? Cause then this part prolly wouldn't be such a pain in the ass




Edit: Sheit, I just noticed the vid was with young link. >_> probably wouldnt work with adult, eh?

I tried it a lot and couldn't get it to work.  I don't think its being adult that makes it not work, but the fact that without NL you can't be exactly in the corner which is probably how it gets through.

house hover?

Hovering from dampes house.

i ment were did it go? it isnt in the route

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I think all who need to know do know. If you are really curious, you could also look at context...like where I would be trying to go and where I say I am next.

I typed up a new low% ss route, tell me if this looks good:

Low% SS Route v1.1

-Intro
-Sword
-Shield
-Forest escape
-Backwalk to Hyrule Castle
-Get 40R from the chains
-Talk to Malon
-Enter Hyrule Castle area, then leave and re-enter
-Talk to Malon for egg
-To Talon
-Push box as far as you can and wait until sunrise
-Wake up Talon
-Push box and jump + jumpslash off of it
-Sidehop past guards
-Get Zelda's Letter + Zelda's Lullaby
-Backwalk to Kakariko
-Cucco collecting for bottle
-Pick up cucco from pen and get ISG from it
-Use cucco dive to enter BotW
-Use OI to drain well
-Skulltula clip for chus
-Exit BotW
-To Graveyard
-Shadow early w/ house hover or superslide teleport
-Get hover boots (let Dead Hand hit you down to 1/2 heart)
-Deathwarp out of Shadow with a chu
-To Lake Hylia
-Go fishing
-Get gold scale and steal rod on the way out
-Get Ruto bottle
-Climb out of water, pause and equip Ruto bottle to C-Right (you will now have Deku Sticks on B)
-Down ZR to Kakariko
-Enter Kakariko (should be night)
-To graveyard
-Reveal bugs and use them to dupe over Zelda's Letter
-Backflip bottle to B with ZL bottle for arrows
-Pull any grave and reveal Poe
-Kill poe with 2 chus and catch him in bottle
-Equip Poe to C-Right and RBA
-Use 3 chus and dump bottle for halfmilk RBA and 31 chus
-Use the bugs you just released to dupe over Ruto bottle
-To Hyrule Field
-Wait until sunrise
-To ToT
-Re-equip sword and DoT skip
-Pull master sword and reverse DoT Skip
-Backwalk to Kakariko
-To Graveyard
-Shadow early
-Backwalk hover over first gap
-Bird statue
-To spinning scythe room
-Jumpslash SB
-Activate boat
-Chu pillar
-Get Boss Key
-Get small key from floormaster room (get extra hearts from the pot)
-To Bongo Bongo
-ISG kill
-Shadow medallion
-Up DMT
-Get magic
-Back to Kakariko the way you came
-Backwalk to GV
-Bridge skip with hover boost + jumpslash
-Go through Hideout (over low wall)
-Old school gate skip
-Across Haunted Wasteland
-Enter spirit
-Block skip w/ hover boots
-Chu crystal switch
-Get small key from right room
-To main room
-Get ZL small key (get chus from lizalfos room on the way)
-Sideflip hover over to adult side
-To IK and mirror shield
-Shine mirror shield on sun symbol to get another small key
-To moving wall room
-Climb moving wall
-Get BK
-Mirror puzzle to lower platform
-Burn the face, jump off, and walk back up
-Magic Jar ISG
-Hover to boss door
-Nabooru Knuckle and Twinrova for spirit medallion
-Back through Haunted Wasteland
-Get thrown out by Gerudo guards and jump into the river
-To Temple of Time
-Light arrows
-To Ganon's Castle
-Do armos trial skip
-Climb tower and single cycle Dorf
-Escape and kill ganon with shield-dropped chus
-Win

Major changes from RR's route:

-It steals the rod while waiting for it to become nighttime so that we can get the poe from the graveyard
-It gets the small key from the spirit temple (RR's route was impossible because this was not included)
-It gets the lizalfos chus instead of spirit trial chus

HERE IS THE NEW 15 ITEM LOW% ROUTE (without the ruling that unusable sticks on B count)
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Low% Route

The aim of a Low% run is to complete the game while collecting as few items as possible. Timing starts when you gain control of Link and ends when you deliver the final blow to Ganon. This is a segmented run, which allows for savewarping.

Segment 1:
1. Intro
2. Save

Segment 2:
1. 21R
2. Kokiri Sword
3. Save

Segment 3:
1. 19R
2. Deku Shield
3. Equip Sword, Shield
4. Save

Segment 4:
1. Old School Forest Escape
2. To Kakariko with Water ESS
3. Cucco Bottle
4. To Graveyard
5. Catch Bugs in Cucco Bottle
6. Cucco Dive to BotW
7. Save

Segment 5:
1. Key behind illusory wall in main room
2. Crawl through northeast crawlspace
3. Perform Actor Replacement glitch with locked door
4. Defeat Dead Hand
5. Grab invisible 200R chest
6. Vine clip with Skulltula
7. Swim to chu chest (10 chus)
8. Save

Segment 6:
1. Exit BotW
2. To Hyrule Castle with sign owl skip
3. Bombchu boost for moat skip (9 chus)
4. Cutscene skip with Bombchu (8 chus)
5. To Lake Hylia
6. To Fishing Pond
7. Gold Scale
8. Steal Rod while leaving
9. Sticks on B
10. Grab Ruto's Bottle
11. Bottle on B w/ Cucco bottle
12. RBA Ruto's Letter for one arrow
13. Bottle Switch trick, catching bugs in Ruto's Bottle for later OI
14. Owl back to market
15. To Kakariko Graveyard
16. Kill Poe (6 chus)
17. Catch Poe in Cucco Bottle
18. Halfmilk RBA Chus w/ Poe (31 chus)
19. Save

Segment 7:
1. Forest Escape w/ Bombchu Megaflip (30 chus)
2. Peahat Superslide to GV
3. Cucco Jump
4. Anti-gravity glitch
5. Save in Gerudo Training Ground

Segment 8:
1. Vine clip to chu chest (34 chus)
2. Save

Segment 9:
1. Gate Skip
2. Cross Wasteland
3. Enter Spirit Temple
4. Save

Segment 10:
1. Silver Block Skip (5 chus)
2. Hit switch on ceiling (4 chus)
3. Key from silver rupee room
4. To main room
5. Ocarina Items for statue hand key
6. Go to Lizalfos room
7. Hit the crystal switch with a Bombchu (3 chus)
7. Get Bombchus (13 chus)
8. Shine light (12 chus)
9. Get on statue's shoulder and jump on the neck to get to the adult side
10. Make way all the way up to the top on adult side (11 chus)
11. Iron Knuckle
12. Mirror Shield and Save

Segment 11:
1. Forest Escape w/ Bombchu Megaflip (10 chus)
2. Peahat Superslide to Lake Hylia
3. To Fishing Pond
4. Steal Rod
5. Sticks on B
6. Halfmilk RBA Chus w/ Poe (31 chus)
7. Owl back to market
8. To ToT
9. DoT Skip
10. Master Sword and Light Medallion
11. Equip Mirror Shield and save

Segment 12:
1. To Kakariko
2. To graveyard
3. Shadow early with chuslide warp (30 chus)
4. Save in shadow

Segment 13:
1. Megaflip first gap (29 chus)
2. Bird statue
3. Another megaflip (28 chus)
4. To the spinning scythe room
5. Jumpslash SB and jump to boat wheel
6. Ocarina Items to ride the boat
7. Bombchu the pillar (27 chus)
8. Get the Boss Key from the spikewall room in the maze
9. Go to Bongo Bongo (will need a bombchu megaflip in the last room) (26 chus)
10. Shadow Medallion
11. Go up death mountain and get magic (24 chus)
12. Save

Segment 14:
1. To Gerudo Valley
2. Chu Megaflip with ISG over gap (23 chus)
3. Save in fortress

Segment 15:
1. To the top of the fortress (over small wall) (21 chus)
2. Megaflip gate skip (20 chus)
3. Cross the wasteland
4. Save in Spirit Temple

Segment 16:
1. Jiano's Silver Block Skip (18 chus)
2. To main room
3. To the upper door
4. Get to the Anubis and Beamos room and kill all enemies (17 chus)
5. Get key in room accessed from shining light on sun
6. Get to the big moving wall and carefully climb up
7. Get Boss Key
8. To the mirror room
9. Blow up the rock wall in the maze and shine light on the big mirror (16 chus)
10. Get on the platform that will lower, lure a flying pot with magic at you, shield it and shine light at the sun while the magic is falling
11. Destroy the face
12. Make sure the magic landed on the platform and activate ISG from it
13. Hover to boss door (10 chus)
14. Iron Knuckle and Twinrova
15. Spirit Medallion
16. Save

Segment 17:
1. Light Arrow
2. Ganon's Castle
3. Save

Segment 18:
1. Spirit Armos Trial Skip
2. Save

Segment 19:
1. Up the tower
2. Ganondorf
3. Escape
4. Ganon (use mid-air shield dropped chus to hit his tail on phase one)

We only collect 15 items. Here is a simple list of what they are and why we collect them.
Kokiri Sword: Activating Infinite Sword Glitch, Door of Time skip, Cucco Jump.
Deku Shield: Forest Escape, Various Hovers.
Zelda's Letter: Collect with Zelda's Lullaby
Zelda's Lullaby: Required for magic.
Cucco Bottle: RBA.
Bombchus: Various hovering.
Gold Scale: Need to get Ruto's Letter.
Ruto's Letter: Needed to RBA Arrows.
Master Sword: Unavoidable.
Light Medallion: Unavoidable.
Magic: Need for Light Arrows.
Mirror Shield: Twinrova, Hovering.
Spirit Medallion: Light Arrows.
Shadow Medallion: Light Arrows.
Light Arrows: In order to defeat Ganondorf.
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This route has not been tested for day/night cycles, so it's possible that there are still modifications to be made. I fixed the route so that it used a water ESS to Kakariko from the forest, which should remove any problems with making it to the Market before night. I also put the 200 rupee chest from Dead Hand in the route to solve any possible rupee shortages for fishing in segment 6. Not sure if there should be a segmentation right after ZL. It splits up a long segment, and uses a chu for forest escape that won't matter because we RBA chus in that segment.

imo, if the sticks on b are not even usable, they shouldn't count as an item. i mean, we have bombs on c-down that aren't usable; i don't see them counting as an item even though we have them on c-down.

The 29-chu silver block skip I was talking about has not been done on child, but since it is just hovering, it should be possible with both Links. TAS got it down to 15, so I'm sure it could be dropped a bit, especially with void hovers.

I'm not sure how this works with day/night cycles, but could you do you second Kakriko visit after lullaby instead of after pond? It would mean less backtracking...unless cutscene skip for lullaby auto-forces daytime.

I haven't looked at the route in detail, but...

1) 4 extra chus after Spirit Temple (4 chus)
2) Use Chu SS Warp for Shadow early (6 chus)
3) Half milk RBA before becoming adult (8 chus)
4) Don't kill skulltulas in moving wall room (10 chus)

This gives us 10 chus left over after Spirit Temple, meaning we can skip the Spirit Trial rupees entirely.

Updated the route with the new chu counts. We use every last chu. Good shit.

Segment 7 - Either change it or use chu's to kill the poe. I'm almost there, so I'll test if you can even do that >_>

Edit: Yeah, it was akward, but I did it. 2 Chu's for anyone that cares. I failed the moat boost like 4 times though lmao

Edit Edit: Aw fuck, I rba'd poe but I only have 29 chu's... wtf? :<



EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT FUCKBALLS

K so vineclip ~ Needs a groundjump, no? anyways you can still get to it, and it will still cost you 1 chu regardless (to kill the beamos)


EDIT EDDDDDIT EDIT

How do you block skip as a kid? >_> I know it's a stupid question, but I'm dead tired and can't figure it out

ringrush posted this on TASVideos and I thought it was worth archiving:

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Synx: First of all, you have to press the stick on B button in order to get the bottle on B. Thus, although you are not using sticks for their "normal use", you are still using them as a means to an end.

Secondly, you CAN use the sticks on B without getting normal sticks by RBAing "stick ammo". These do not appear as normal sticks in your inventory, but do allow you to use sticks on B. And if you say "well until you RBA them, it is unusable", I will just say "well until you are in front of the Kakriko guard, Zelda's Letter is unusable" and claim it doesn't count.

Third, what about the bomb icon on C down? It is in a very similar situation to the stick on B. If we say the stick on B counts no matter what, then that also mean the bomb counts no matter what, and the low% will be free to RBA and use bombs. Perhaps this is the best ruling, but a lot of people think the three coolest things about low% are bomb skip, hover boots skip, and hookshot skip.

Fourth, if we say the stick on B doesn't count, then the fastest route would involve getting a stick on B, RBAing stick ammo, and using that ammo to light torchs in the Spirit Temple, thus skipping a long and chu-consuming hover to get past the silver block as child (I'm not 100% sure this is still true for TAS, but I know it is true for real time). How would viewers feel if you are using sticks, but say "they don't count"? There is a strong case that you never actually obtained the item "deku stick", just used them through manipulation of your B button, but how many random viewers are going to understand that?

Fifth, let us say we rule deku sticks ammo counts as an item when paired with deku stick on B. Using the same logic, arrows count as an item when paired with Light Arrows. Therefore, getting the Bow and Quiver is less items than the Gold Scale + Ruto's Bottle + Arrows, completely changing the current idea of low%. This also involves a very boring hover in the Forest Temple off of a green bubble.

Sixth, if we say items on B count no matter what, then it only makes sense that the fishing rod counts as an item. Getting the fishing rod on B is a necesary step in RBA, so this means RBA would have to be avoided. Once again, this would lead to a very boring hover in the Forest Temple to get to the bow.

Basically, the stick situation is a mess. Regardless of what we rule, there will be some ugly consequences. The easiest way to get out of it would be to ban RBA altogether, but even then stick on B would still be useful to skip hovering in the Spirit Temple. Plus, without RBA, low% suffers as I said before from the bubble hover. Really, in my opinion, the ability to get bombchus without deku sticks ruined low%.

Low% all temples however, does not need RBA to get the minimum 27 items (25 items if we don't count ganon's trials, although I think bloob did them in his TAS and SDA ruled them necesary). It has also a far more interesting route and more interesting tricks. If we were going to see a low% run, I think a low% all temples is a much better option.

Hey guys, sorry for reviving a somewhat dead thread, but I am playing through this route and I am utterly lost.  I got the bridge clip in the lost woods as well as well chus.  I'm not really sure where to go next since it seems like Zelda's lullaby is out of the way and I don't know where is the best place to get half milk for rba.  Also, if indeed Zelda's lullaby is the fastest way to go at this point, it is going to take more than one chu to kill link and do the cut scene skip.

Lullaby would be the best way to go from there.  For the damage, take 2 hearts from the gold skulltula in the tree (remember not to kill/get token), 1/2 heart from the damage boost to skip talon (9 chus), then the chu death cutscene skip (8 chus).

Also, when it says halfmilk RBA, that's not refering to halfmilk in a bottle, when you update the item pointed to on C right when it has a value of 26 (for example, poe on C right with 26 chus), the B bottle will become halfmilk no matter what, giving you a value of 31 (and so you would get 31 chus).

Thanks ZFG, I think I understand now.  To get half milk on B, you just need the item quantity that is affected by the contents of your right c from rba to be 26, which is the decimal value for full milk.  Then when you update your B bottle, you should have half milk.  I'm guessing that Zelda's lullaby and the dot skip are done in separate segments to conserve chus for the adult portion of the run.  Overall, this route looks pretty fun. I will try to finish it and upload the rest of the segments.  When I get my dvd recorder, maybe I will get more serious about this category.