MST Route Discussion

Pedalpowertoast wrote

You tried maze skip during MST :o

I'm pretty good at maze skip now after several hours of practice. Unfortunately, I was low on bombs and when I clipped the first time I somehow pushed back by the flames despite how fast I was going. Luckily I fell I didn't land in soe room oob and just fell off the map and respawned at the beginning of the room or I would have lost way more time. So I probably have like 4 minutes to make up there. The funny thing is that I still managed to save time on that split :P I guess it was from bk skip...

So could it maybe be an option to finally complete shadow first? You can equip the hover boots during a mega sidehop to get across the gap like they do in normal MST, so I don't know what the problem really is here.

hey babes. Just checking in with all this MST business. I see that TheWayfaringFox's new PB, which isn't far behind ben's WR, is pretty damn good. Fox, you said that your time is due to a route change. Just curious, what exactly is your route? does it involve CS skips and the fire temple WW?

Hi neo. Long time no see :D Fox switched the dungeon order a little. I think shadow is completed fully or something like that. I suggest helping with death hole warping, because it might change the MST route radically.

So this route needs to be worked on soon so people will start running it again. I have several questions to start:
Keep FW B route for child?
Bongo WW?
Hover boots as adult before hookshot?
Adult dungeon order?
I just want to provoke some thought here.

http://pastebin.com/f39hA98s New route idea made for MST finally. Feedback?

TheWayfaringFox wrote

http://pastebin.com/f39hA98s New route idea made for MST finally. Feedback?

This route would definitely be cool to watch, however, there seems like an lot of frame perfect things would have to go your way in order to get a good time. Like I'm ok with some risky strats, but this route has a lot. I think it may be faster than the current route if you got like 1 or 2 of the RI CS skips.

Oh man.... I cant wait to try run it.
I wonder how much time it saves.

Hmm. The RI cs skips as adult are just timesavers though. Spirit only saves around 40-50 seconds if done fast enough, so it's your choice on whether or not to do it. As for the Water CS skip, I haven't timed that cutscene yet, so I don't know how much time it will save. Forest does save around 2 minutes if done right. I also forgot all the OI's I put in too so...
These tricks mainly should be buffered anyway though, because at that point they're the most consistent.

Might as well just post this here: http://pastebin.com/NyQUfmX6

I don't really understand this line:
"Damage down to 1 HP from GS in lots-o-pots" (l.75)
What are GS and lots-o-pots ?

Ehehehe....

Lots of pots means the guard house in the market, that has...well lots of pots.

GS means Gold skulltula. It deals 1 heart of damage.

OK sorry I play the game in french and when I looked on internet I found nothing lol
Thanks ;)

They actually deal 1 heart... get it right Toast DansGame

Kappa

In the actual MST route on the website it says:
"Death Hole Wrong Warp to the unloaded Forest Temple basement
Enter boss door loading zone"

Well I managed to DHWW to the unloaded basement but I can find the boss door loading zone.
I tried a few directions (left, right, backwards and forward) but the only thing I managed to do is to jump out of bounds...

Can you really access to the boss room by this way ?

You do realize that is not the up to date route? I never got around to changing it....

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OopsWHwSfgg

Yeah but I don't know why I thought you could enter the forest temple boss room normally... I guess I forgot the DHWW mode was still on :s
Thanks for the video though ;)

This has nothing to do with DHWW. You can do this without DHWW. What you're doing I think is like getting inside the railing because they're unloaded or something and from there you can get into the boss loading zone

Actually what I really want to do is to find a easy way to skip forest medallion cutscene (because it's very long...)
So easy means without RI FWWW
What I was thinking of was to do like in your MST route with Morpha: set FW, enter the blue warp and return FW to skip the cutscene but all of this has to be done with this DHWW mode on (I don't know the exat term for this mode...)
But the problem is that I totally forgot while attempting to enter the boss room it'll warp you somewhere else because this mode is still on

Anyway I'm thinking of practicing a little bit these RI FWWWs because of their use to warp to silver gaunlet CS
So if someone has a video of a cool method or setups to perform them easly I'd be delighted ;)

By the way I have an other question: are these FWWWs independant from the boss room ?
I mean if I set a FW somewhere and then attempt FWWW from volvagia room or from gohma's room will the result be the same ?

Any route you do, you will do FWWWs... they're just too useful man. If you wanna learn this game, I'm sorry to say it's pretty much essential.

There really is no setup for these warps... there are some individual setups for each different one, but most are stupid and slow, and if you can do RI then you're screwed anyways.

Any adult dungeon FWWW will simply skip the medallion CS and take you where ever the warp is placed, which can be anywhere, with the exception of the fire temple. Child dungeon warps and the fire temple are a little more complex and will take you where ever the values line up which can be a little odd as you probably know. All of these types of warps will crash unless this warp you directly into a CS setup because the game is trying to load a CS directly after these warps. The way the game handles these is different from the console version, thus why ganondoor does not work.

Going to make a beginner's mst route for new people wanting to play this game.

Quick update for those who are unaware, the bottle is now skippable in MST with three new tricks that were found. I will hopefully update all of the ZSR routes soon.

youtube.com/watch?v=1w-Ny52Plv4
youtube.com/watch?v=CZVeuBlxMNk
youtube.com/watch?v=dsAZb2U9aJ8