Ocarina of Time 3D

MST Route Discussion

Started by TaylorTotFTW · 16 Jun 2012 · 382 replies

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Re: MST Route Discussion

#331
Entrance key? You mean the one in the first room? Don't we need that one?

Well skipping them still seems pretty good to me. I think it's definitely something that should be included.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#332
Gets stalfos key, uses Sot, enters garden room, DJ or hover to hand room, gets key, block puzzle etc. So no.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#333
What I wonder is: Is is actually faster to skip the key in the very first room compared to skipping the room at the garden.
It feels like hookshoting up the vine and get the key is faster than the other key. :0

Re: MST Route Discussion

#334
i used 2 keys in a forest temple run before this was even mentioned, figured people were doing it i guess not rofl

Re: MST Route Discussion

#335
I think I've, like, said everything in this post before but I had nothing better to do so I typed it up.

I heard RI warping was hard. What you should do is just try doing it for practice. Try and get a feel for the timing as you run up to the blue warp. Probably try BA to learn the timing for actually warping (it's a lot harder for adult dungeons, but iirc somewhere near the end of the fade-out is multi-frame window). If you can get it sometimes, try just casting FW somewhere in your runs (possibly the dungeon entrance since you wouldn't have to RI, but maybe somewhere closer to where you'd want to go next) and just make an attempt at it?

For Fire you're going to need a cutscene to warp into, but I can't think of anything worth warping into. My best guess is that you should warp into the door of time opening cutscene. Since the door is already open, it should be super short, and it's possible that LACS will play instead, if you do Fire last. If you can't find a good entrance to use to warp to ToT without entering the ToT, you'd use Outside ToT->ToT (unless LACS->ToT doesn't crash). Looking at the WW table, the best I can really see is Desert Colossus->Fairy Fountain, so IDK if that's faster than just doing the extra savewarp and then watching the shorter DoT opening CS later (this is assuming LACS really does play instead). Fire Medallion CS isn't really that long, though.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#336
it's possible that LACS will play instead, if you do Fire last.

Maybe it'll do that.
Example: If you have enough medallions to trigger the LACS cutscene when you enter the ToT for the very first time after turning adult, you'll trigger the LACS and the sheik intro cutscene won't trigger until you run back to the pedestal.
LACS had priority over that one when entering ToT. However, since WW simply forces you into a cutscene, It feels like it should force that cutscene even though there is another active one there too?
I'm sure mzx knows the answer. :p

Re: MST Route Discussion

#337
If RI turns out to be feasible... do you think you could look into skipping Fire Arrows? I think you just need a way to get across the shadow trial... hoverslide to the torch and use dins? Hookshot jump using the chest or something? IDK.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#339
I started looking into it too. Is it possible to reach the golden gauntlets chest from the switch with only the hookshot? That's something I don't know. It has been able to reach places where I did doubt it could reach.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#340
Hookshot reaches Gaunts chest also.......A NEW WR!!!!! ;D very happy with this run.....time 3:24:17 WOOHOO...now to start recording attempts etc. A few mistakes but saved more with "keep master sword" etc. Sub 3:25 wow

Re: MST Route Discussion

#342
In normal OoT, hookshotting back to the gaunt chest is a pixel-perfect thing that people often used ISG for. It's not really important though b/c however you got over to the switch in the first place you could just do that again... and probably it would still be faster than watching the water CS to set up for fire arrows.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#343
I'm not sure if anyone does this, but I found some short time savers in the fire temple. First you can hoverslides or mega jump in the room with the red block you push and the 2 torch slugs. It saves a little time if you get it first try. Also (I haven't tested,  but it should work, but instead of hitting the switch to make the flame ring around the hammer disappear and watching the short animation, you can probably just get hit by the fire keese close to the chest and open the chest while you're invulnerable. Also I'm having a lot of trouble with the new BK skip. I haven't even succeed ed once yet.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#344
I don't think you can get the Hammer that way because the fire ring is pretty big and won't let you go through it. This trick works in Spirit I think because the fire ring is so small you can push into it just enough to reach the chest. I've only tried once though, so maybe there's a way.
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Re: MST Route Discussion

#346
I'm still not sure about the dungeon order still, since shadow can be completed before forest. I personally would do shadow-forest-fire-water-spirit, but I'm not sure about what you think. Doing shadow first would skip a key in Forest, and I'm sure you could handle Volvagia with eight hearts and an optional fairy. I'm trying cutscene skips now and they're not as bad as I had originally thought. I'm glad about the Nayru's Love fountain- Desert Collossus is there. That's something useful for me  ;)

*Edit: So my game crashed when I attempted the Wrong Warp.  :'( Do I have to watch a specific cutscene in order for this to work?
*Edit#2: I think it might be because I haven't watched the light arrow cutscene yet. I'm going to check.
*Edit#3: Okay, so it's not Nayru's Love Fairy Fountain- Desert Collossus, it is Desert Collossus-Nayru's Love Fairy Fountain. The one that is in the pastebin leads to a crash. Also, Link has a really funny glitched animation after warping.

Last edited 02 Sep 2012, 01:12 by TheWayfaringFox.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#347
Thanks for the heads up Fox. That was a really silly mistake of mine :P
Might I ask what king of animation it was? Like what did it look like?

Re: MST Route Discussion

#348
It looked like he was underneath the floor as apart of the reflection in the temple. Also, he appeared at the Master Sword, and Sheik is not there so the Prelude cutscene does not activate. I also think that the Light Arrow cutscene might not activate upon warping here.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#349
My God... new WR!!! 3:18:47!!! sub 3:20 has been done!!! Bwuhahahahahah! um... eh-hem. So yeah, the best part about this is that there is still so much time to save! Sub 3:10 is possible, it really is! Big mistakes were hellfire 2 (-2:00), for some reason Navi wouldn't talk to me again when I had to do the Navi dive (-2:00), several failed mirror shield early (-2:00-3:00). I did not do fire temple bk skip because I suck at that. Also I have no split because I was watching Twitch on my phone while in the run, and because of my lack lack of resource, I use my phone for splits.

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#351

Nice job. What do you think you can improve?

Thanks
Hmmmm.... well I guess like if it was absolutely perfect with this route, like almost TAS perfect, it could definitely be 3:00. However, that's unrealistic, so I'm going to say that with a damn good run, like more like Cosmo good, it could probably be more like a 3:05. I had no medallion CS skips in my run, so add that in and you could get a pretty good time if you can get some of them. Right now I'm just gonna set my goal at sub 3:10

Ooh! 200 posts! :o

Last edited 08 Sep 2012, 04:37 by benstephens1000.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#352
Nice ben :) i didnt know you beat me a month ago though :( should have told me :(

Well now that Glinks recording the tricks with his amazing cap device and you making good MST runs while im getting inconsistent..im probably chilling in the background 8)
Bye....?

Re: MST Route Discussion

#353
Na I just did it like 6 hours ago. For some reason when I submit my time it shows that it was submitted a month ago :/

don't go you're my only real competition :(
....I guess that is till Neolink gets good, if he actually pursues this game.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#354
Delete you time and resubmit it, edit doesnt change the date :) Can you chat in IRC about different strats?

Re: MST Route Discussion

#355
Yeah I'll be on at different times but it might be hard to be on at the same time with time zone differences. I'll be glad to discuss strats at anytime we are both on :)

Re: MST Route Discussion

#356
New WR of 3:12:14.2. This was kind of a bad run actually. Adult was pretty good up until fire which was alright... However, my child was horrible! I think I wasted minutes on hellfire and other small things. I'm guessing 3:05 is possible with no RI FWWW.

Split pic: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/8018798051_d76e4dbc97_z.jpg
This is my first full MST with splits so I have some "best splits" but then they're all the same at one point because I stopped the run where I took those splits. I split everything when the text says "You go the ___". Also "Trials Complete" was actually split when the barrier dissipating CS started even though I should have started when I shot the arrow :P
Finally I stopped the timer at least 5 seconds late because I had clicked on a different Window and my hot keys weren't working :P

Last edited 24 Sep 2012, 10:54 by benstephens1000.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#357

New WR of 2:12:14.2. This was kind of a bad run actually.
Almost got a heart attack :o Careful next time >:( im dead fucking serious.

BTW i think we need to do a test, what is the fastest adult dungeon route.

Last edited 24 Sep 2012, 10:33 by Pedalpowertoast.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#358

Almost got a heart attack :o Careful next time >:( im dead fucking serious.

BTW i think we need to do a test, what is the fastest adult dungeon route.

Oh damn sorry about that...

Right now, my route is Forest, Shadow, Water, Spirit, Fire... It seems pretty fast to me, providing a place to warp to after almost every dungeon with the exception of getting to Water and fire, but nocturne gets closer to shadow than ToT would get you if you savewarped.

Re: MST Route Discussion

#359
New WR of 3:09:13, so almost exactly 3 minutes saved my splits are saying I can save 3 minutes but I know I can get sub 3:00. I lost a lot of time in Deku and Jabu and and I failed the new fire strats for 2 minutes and lost the time I could've saved... so it's possible but it'll be hard.

Splits: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8179/8038397332_61994a7737_z.jpg
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