MST Route Discussion

Sorry my 3DS is out of commission for a while :'|

Typho20k wrote

When are we going to see vids/recordings of 3ds mst runs?!
Not for proof, but for the entertainment value clearly and seeing all the magic taking place in one single segment! ;D

I would love to record a sub-4 run. The problem is, my sd card holds around 45 minutes of video and it isnt easy to have that much time in a quiet environment. I considered doing a part-by-part run, but that seems goofy to me.

Tom Nook wrote

Sorry my 3DS is out of commission for a while :'|

Whats happening to everyones 3DS :o I cant record 4 hours on an Iphone IIRC it splits the video at 2gb or something...wait a sec i can just combine 'em into one..but how can I borrow it for 4 hours..hopefully i can get one soon. (Does anyone know if 3.5 m to m cables work with an Iphone + 3DS, been trying with many different things but it doesnt work. Of course the cable might be borken or something)

I think it's agreed that this could work in a run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQ0cyrrL2M

oh and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2mMwJEKQw

Just did my first MST (practise) run, time was about 4:09:15
Pretty decent considering I had to watch the route at the same time. there were some horrible, horrible mistakes meh ill accept it.
PS is the time stopped when last hit to ganon or after zeldas last text box? I did after ganon.

The run is over on the last meaningful input (pressing B on Ganon).

I always found it weird because you still need to tap the buttons to clear zeldas text boxes, oh well atleast it ends faster.

Keyword is MEANINGFUL input. There is no gameplay after pressing B to kill Ganon.

New WR!  :D 3:47:19 woohoo also lots of mistakes.
Also how do i fix the time? Do i resubmit it? (today is 6th the time there shows 5th day.)
NVM fixed.

So, Why do you get Din's Fire? Is it required anywhere?
You can clip past the shadow temple boss key room walls with the hookshot so it's not needed there. And that's the only place I can think of.
I remember someone saying that it was possible to clip past the entrance as well, but maybe it required bgs or something? :o

Also, you can skip the second locked door in Forest temple now that we have hover boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJMLV8QdY0
Which means that only 1 key is required (not counting the very first room). I do not know if it'd be faster to take the stalfos or hand key. I would assume that the room with the hands is faster since you walk past it.
I would assume that this is faster than getting both keys, but I'm not sure.

With this trick you can skip unlocking a door saving a key, and it takes you right to another key leaving you with 2 keys.

I was trying some shit with forest too, but forgot that trick.
Not sure why we get dins. IIRC some people called shadow clip too hard.

no matter what you have to get stalfos key in forest temple otherwise you cant get bow tested this out ages ago and the hookshot clip in shadow for bk is easy as shit get it everytime and i dont even lose half a heart doing it. you can skip first room key and get stalfos and hand key

We get Dins fire because we need it to open up Shadow. The hookshot jump shadow early is not in the route because it requires iron boots and thus is not faster

LttpMmOot wrote

no matter what you have to get stalfos key in forest temple otherwise you cant get bow tested this out ages ago and the hookshot clip in shadow for bk is easy as shit get it everytime and i dont even lose half a heart doing it. you can skip first room key and get stalfos and hand key

First Key is way faster than the hand key though.
So I guess you'd get the first 2 keys only, and use hover boots to skip past the first locked door.

first key probably is faster never bothered to time it

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

Pedalpowertoast wrote

Im a bit confused by the route...is it the final one yet?

No Zelda route is ever final.  ;)

gamestabled wrote

No Zelda route is ever final.  ;)

This. It can always be assumed there are things we have not discovered. MST on console is a perfect example of this. At one point, sub 3 hours was thought to be impossible.

Should we skip FW? Its only useful in forest & few others. RI warping from Water skips the sheik cutscene which is the trigger for water raising = fire arrows only with scarecrow. Setting up for RI warp then fucking it wastes even more time.

Optimally you'd get FW but if you're not going to RI then... I'm not sure where it saves time. It takes like 20 seconds to cast the thing, so without RI it has to save a good amount of backtracking to be worth it. You need way to skip Fire Arrows in the shadow trial (maybe hoverslide over and cast dins next to the torch, or something) in order to consider CS skipping the water medallion.

Came up with a pretty consistent silver block skip. Do you guys want a video. (its yours my friend as long as i get 20 likes....JK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvpMxD09z8k
Semi reliable....maybe.

New WR :D 3:31:43 easy sub 3:30 can be done. :)

Whoa, so did you have fewer mistakes or something?

That and did some timesavers such as the spirit BK skip, there were some bad mistakes which make me wonder how i was still able to get an okay time.

Spirit BK skip? Do you perhaps mean the torch slug trick?

Bens back :D and no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LB5Ia38xCw
More videos, hope youre happy ;) (bit late, but who cares)

Yes I am back... sort of... However it will take a long time to get back in the loop. I'm going to practice all of this new shit in the plane ride home. I hope to get another run in soon.

well I've perfected spirit bk skip... Are there any other new tricks for MST that I missed?

I did not like the way the shadow gate clip was done, so I gave it a try myself, what that do you know, I found an extremely easy way to successfully perform this trick 100% of the time. I've never failed at it so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp7-_4_5C0
I hope that'll make it easier for everyone.

CloudMax wrote

I did not like the way the shadow gate clip was done, so I gave it a try myself, what that do you know, I found an extremely easy way to successfully perform this trick 100% of the time. I've never failed at it so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp7-_4_5C0
I hope that'll make it easier for everyone.

Very nice job CloudMax ;)

Wait... wouldn't forest escaping be faster with deku stick TSC? I mean someone did say that it was possible. If we do that we could potentially skip a blue rupee in the forest and we wouldn't have to read the deku nut text after first getting one. I mean it wouldn't be much faster, but wouldn't it be a little bit faster?

So are we skipping another key in the forest temple now? I'm assuming the stalfos key?

Guys one more thing... I think it's time to get serious... yes, I mean I think it's time we start messing with WW using RI as adult Link. I don't think we should make the warps necessary to our route, so failing won't screw us over to bad, however I thick it's time we find some time savers with it.

The bow room stalfos dont spawn if you dont kill the ones below, were skipping the entrance key.
As for RI warping, you cant warp to cutscenes with that, only skip them. The only reason Fire works is because of that cutscene where the volcano returns to normal. (i think)