MST Route Discussion

Make sure you equip the hoverboots after you start your slide so that you start at full speed.

Also we need the bow for water temple, so switch forest and water. EDIT: IM AN IDIOT. YOU CAN DINS THE TORCHES :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YnUzO91RJs I just remembered this trick. We need to compare the time saved with this trick in shadow to the time saved by skipping longshot and having hovers in water.

Oh man, I forgot you needed the longshot for that... Well, right now the strategy for Water without hovers is 'do it normally', but I would be much more inclined to do anything that involves not doing shadow early.

But also remember, no hovers=get iron boots.

I just found a great setup for the burger king skip in forest, I'll record it and put it on YouTube as soon as I get home from Pennsyilvania, where I am now.

Also, I think I'm doing something wrong with ISG... When I jumpslash, I get hit and collect the heart, and I don't come crashing down like crazygamernerd did his first try in his shadow early video, I come almost floating down like he did his second try, but I don't have ISG.

The sword doesn't activate until about the peak of the arc. try jumpslashing a tiny bit later.

Ladies, gentlemen, and raccoons of the forum, I would like to prove why the defendant, Mr. Shadow Early, is guilty of being fucking retarded. First of all, and I hate play the 'baaaaw it's to hard' card, but hear me out: ISG alone is a frame perfect trick. Let's say you manage to get a heart in the bushes first try, and get ISG without failing it or dieing, you still have to Poe hover, which isn't exactly childs play. So what exactly is the reward of this? Let's weigh the benefits and negatives of shadow early.

Rewards:
No ice cavern
Finish Water faster
No Shadow cutscene

Negatives:
Has the potential to waste massive amounts of time
Luck based
Shadow is suddenly 4x longer, as you can't do boat early (no longshot)

I also mention that Ice Cavern is a bit shorter because you can megaflip past the red ice in the first room to reach blue fire faster. Also, this gives you Seranade of Water for instant transport to the Water Temple (or close enough :P ) I'm not sure if you have to get the Zora Tunic, or of you can get away with not having it.

I rest my case, your honor.

court adjourned. *BANG*

Dont forget about the benefits of hoverboots in forest and fire, but...

AGREED.

I still think we could find a way to skip longshot. All we need is to cross that gap, I will look for something later today. Also, I highly doubt we will need the zora tunic, considering when we go to water we will have at least 6 hearts.

I will skip iron boots.

It will happen.

We can't skip longshot, because remember now we need it to cross the spike room. But if you can figure out how, then go right ahead  ;D

Why is it a ng+ route if you arent even using ng+ lol...

As child we can just get requiem (no spirit stuff) and as adult delay spirit temple until after shadow, and use hoverboots to get golden gauntlets before going to spirit.

Also nice water route. Puts mine to shame.

^just my first thoughts.

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route :P):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p

Din's Fire Skip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw4fdOAgzo

gamestabled wrote

Why is it a ng+ route if you arent even using ng+ lol...

As child we can just get requiem (no spirit stuff) and as adult delay spirit temple until after shadow, and use hoverboots to get golden gauntlets before going to spirit.

Also nice water route. Puts mine to shame.

^just my first thoughts.

We are using NG+. Master Sword. Not necessary, just for convenience.

CloudMax wrote

Here's a water temple route I made (I do not know the water temple inside out, so I am using a guide book as reference. Tell me if there's an error in the route :P):
Note that I didn't read the posts in this thread, so maybe there's a better route.

Go to ruto and lower the water.
Use this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk to get the small key.
Jump down to the lowest level and fire the torches to enter the next small key room.
Savewarp
While you're at the entrance, enter the path right below you on the 2nd floor.
Clip through the gate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQNW0_cq3I
Walk up to the block that you can push and hookshot clip through it onto the small key chest & take the key.
You'll now have 3 keys.
Savewarp
Perform this trick to increase the water level back to 3 again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ
Get longshot.
Savewarp
Get the boss key (use this trick in the block room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
Savewarp?
Kill the boss

I haven't tested any of this but it should work just fine.
You only have to change the water level twice and it only requires 3 keys in total.
I am not sure if there's another key that is faster than the 3rd one. If there is, just swap it out.
This skips pretty much everything except the path to longshot and boss key. So stop complaining. :p

You can't open chests underwater, I'm 70% sure of this.

CrazyGamingNerd wrote

Din's Fire Skip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw4fdOAgzo

That's a nice skip, thanks. But if you're implying that we can skip dins fire, then no because we need it for shadow.

3 things: You know that you lose ng+ when you savewarp right (EDIT: nvm you keep swords cool)

In his route the water is lowered when you open all 3 chests, despite the water in the video.

Well....you dont NEED dins for shadow....

You don't lose the NG+ item if it's a sword.

I just realized that about his water route... then that route would be great :)

Edited the route to add the forest route video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQb1WzP-kw

I left a comment on the video. You didn't know me when I was still SXL, so I just figured I would let you know. ;D

I'll change my YouTube account soon.

TaylorTotFTW wrote

Edited the route to add the forest route video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQb1WzP-kw

Hmh. I guess some people isn't aware that the N64 BK skip still works. The one where you ledge grab to get OoB and jump into the loading zone that is.
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/Dungeon%20Strats/forest-temple

This method is much easier & faster. (This method was re-confirmed long after the 3ds method was found, which may be why some people isn't aware of it)

CloudMax wrote

Hmh. I guess some people isn't aware that the N64 BK skip still works. The one where you ledge grab to get OoB and jump into the loading zone that is.
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/Dungeon%20Strats/forest-temple

This method is much easier & faster. (This method was re-confirmed long after the 3ds method was found, which may be why some people isn't aware of it)

Wait, really? God damnit now I have to record that shit again.
(That's my way of saying thanks.)

align yourself so that you backflip into the small banister. After that make your way to the front of the platform while still being inside of the bainster and you should end up grabbing the ledge while inside of the platform.

What?

Unlike N64 this one is a bit different. Face the right banister, turn 180 degrees and walk forward a little. (make sure you are using inverty Y-Axis controls from options) Then tap L&Y&A and hold down. You should clip inside the banister, then sidehop right then left. Walk forward and make sure there is space next to the stair pillar thing and behind you. Walk left without holding L and you should clip through the floor. Tap A, align youself and jump. Woot its done. If you didn't understand I can make a video.

If you could make a video that would be great.

Ok ill make one,but its going to be laggy because my camera isnt good, in fact its worse than the one on 3ds : Ill see what i can do. Ill probably record that torch time saver too.
E:Borrowed my moms iphone and recorded it :) theres buzzing in it so Ill propably replace the music with something else :(

Just finished the first ever (I assume) completed run. I took 2 minutes for forest escape. I made 3 trips to lake hylia for bombs for child gate skip. I forgot to get the bow in forest and actually was in the boss room before I remembered. I kept missing the megaflip in ice cavern. I fell down the hole in deku. I did some random-ass route for water that I probably couldn't duplicate if I tried. It was messy. It was sloppy. In short, it was a horrible excuse for a run.

It was 4:41:01.

I can see at least an half an hour being shaved off soon, if not sup 4. But hey, it's the World Record :D

So you know how to do the new forest temple skip?
E:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4iCvXsT7rs
there, Its uploaded sorry if I'm late

Awesome, thanks alot man! That's a real time saver.

TaylorTotFTW wrote

I can see at least an half an hour being shaved off soon, if not sup 4. But hey, it's the World Record :D

^congrats?

Did you just follow pokeys video to cross the wasteland? Its where I got stuck even though I can do it on n64, and Im having a lot of trouble following his video.

I didn't follow pokey's video. I'm not sure I've ever even seen it. Crossing wasteland is something I just picked up from when I ran console MST, I have my own things that work for me, I'll try to get a video up soon if you still need it. I have a bunch of shit recorded but it sucks because my old 'camcorder' only has a firewire cable and my PC doesn't have firewire ports so I have to edit and upload shit on a 100 year old Mac.

Oh you dont have to bother if its so much trouble. I havent even tried again since that night, I'm sure I can get it if I gave it just a little more time.

Wow, you really can't cross the wasteland? It's exactly the same as on console...