MST Route Discussion

I know... and I can do it on console I dont understand  :'(

taylortot did you think about doing gold gaunts early and skipping silvers? It seems like a good idea to me

edited route: removed child spirit, added early gold gaunts. Much less of a potential run ender and it saves alot of time :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvx2pQy9A4

Here ya go, pull it off and it is Din's fire skip (for reals this time) kinda forgot about it earlier.

If the typical sidehop-roll-sidehop-slash gateskip doesnt work still then this should:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiMs-x8mQQY

I'm actually really liking this run in the sense that the dungeons arent torn to bits like console (looking at you water temple) but are also broken enough that its still fun and feels like your doing cool shit.

shit, I forgot we don't have spirit song anymore... if this doesnt work we might have to go back to doing child spirit.

Hey I'm kind of new to the whole speedrunning thing, but after about two weeks of practice I pretty much have this run down. Some of you guys might remember me from asking questions on your videos on youtube. Anyways, although it appears that I'm a little late getting in on this discussion. I am here to help and discuss the general matters of this run!

Anyways, as for the Water Temple route that has been posted, I have an alternative for anyone who does not plan on getting the iron boots or the tunic. This is a video of how to get inside of the temple without either even though I'm sure you guys already know how to do this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPvJKmuSFbM&feature=related

The route goes something like this:

-Spell dive with the tectite on the west side of the central room to go to Ruto and lower the water. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqCyRDuD7E&feature=related)
-Use a hookshot clip to get the level 2 key. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pka6L_YPOnk)
-Light the torches to get to the room on the bottom level and get the key.
-Savewarp.
-Use damage boost to raise the water all the way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMHvUKknQ)
-Get longshot
-Get small key in the river room with the vortexes. Get the small key by hookshot clipping in the upper level of the dragon whirlpool room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRjta0gpdFg&list=PL0BC01F2C8208B57A&index=63&feature=plpp_video)
-Savewarp
-Lower water with previous tectite dive trick
-Block room (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fReBZKisH1g)
-Get boss key.
-Saverwap
-Raise water with damage boost.
-Kill boss.

I know it's longer than the other route posted, however you say time from skipping ice cavern.

Welcome aboard, I'm glad to have you with us.  :)

As much as I hate to admit it (water early, I'm looking at you) this route is definitely faster. I'll edit the route accordingly tomorrow when I'm actually at a computer.

Gamestabled, we are not skipping dins fire! The convenience of having it for shadow and trials is well worth the minute it takes to go get it before going adult. I suppose later on, if this category gets more competitive, then yeah we could implement that but it's not worth it dude. What if you fuck up and run out of magic? Then you waste the time it takes to go get dins fire to get more :P

Well we need it now for water anyways  :P

Taylortot, can you make a video of the adult gateskip whether or not you find a consistent setup? I think I know what you did I'd just like to see.

To setup a grunz clip like in that water early, you can get on the ledge where you want to fall through, climb up, sidehop right twice, sidehop left, sideroll, drop a bomb, sidehop left twice, sidehop right, sideroll and backwalk to the edge. If you were in the right spot to start with the bomb should push you through. Doesnt work for this clip so gl hf  :P

I don't know if you can do this in MST, but also the silver block skip has been confirmed for Oot 3D. I'm not positive, but couldn't you potentially skip the entire child portion of the Spirit Temple with that? Of course you would need to do Shadow temple before it, so the temple order would end up being something like Forest, Water, Fire, Shadow, Spirit, that is if you don't get the golden gauntlets early and just completely skip the silver gauntlets. Again I don't know if you are allowed to skip the child portion of the dungeon in MST, though.

As of right now we are getting gold gaunts after shadow, so child spirit is not at all necessary. What block skip are you talking about? That would be awesome because then we wouldn't even have to get gold gaunts.

Gamestabled, if that setup works then much respect earned. I'll get the adult gateskip recorded, and hopefully get fire/forest bk skip/gateskip up all tomorrow :D

This is the silver block skip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DubDRFKs8g

With this you do not need silver or golden gauntlets to complete the Spirit Temple. I just tested it, and it saves a ton of time!


Also Din's Fire saves time in the spirite temple in the room with the 3 Anibuses/Anibi What would the plural for that be?) Anyways, just another reason to get Din's Fire. :)

Oh one more thing! I'm sure you guys know this already, but the pillar in the fire temple can be easily skipped with a megaflip. Once again it saves a lot of time!

Its funny that I forgot about silver block skip, because it wasnt that long ago that I saw it somewhere else. Well, gold gaunts early is out again.

Once you get the megaton hammer you can savewarp to the entrance, hookshot clip to the boss key chest, and megaflip to the door so everything after getting the hammer can be skipped.

After you get the hammer you jump down the huge pit, open the door and hammer the pillar. Just wait for my video.

Oh yeah that does sound faster Taylortot! I should have thought of that...

Gamestabled, that setup isn't working for me, the first sideroll puts me way too far left and doesn't drop the bomb off the ledge. It works if I take out the first sideroll, and then barely tap left before I backwalk, but even then when I clip out I don't land in water which probably means the bomb is in the wrong place.

I can make a video of my setup if you'd like. It's been fairly consistent for me. It won't be too pretty though since I don't have a great way of recording.

TaylorTotFTW wrote

Gamestabled, that setup isn't working for me, the first sideroll puts me way too far left and doesn't drop the bomb off the ledge. It works if I take out the first sideroll, and then barely tap left before I backwalk, but even then when I clip out I don't land in water which probably means the bomb is in the wrong place.

I havent actually done it in that spot, but its worked for me on every other grunz clip. I kinda forgot you need to go the right way to land in the water.

benstephens1000 wrote

I can make a video of my setup if you'd like. It's been fairly consistent for me. It won't be too pretty though since I don't have a great way of recording.

That would be cool if you could do that.

gamestabled, also the ground isn't flat so that messes up the sidehops.

Alright I'll make a video, but I won't be able to record until a couple of hours however I will get it to you shortly.

So I felt like updating you guys with this here: I just saw in SDA forums that the 3DS capture device is basically done and the dude says hes ordering 300 of them to have by the end of the month. There isnt a price yet but Im pretty sure Im gonna get one if its priced fair enough, obviously Ill be recording this game mostly.

Also just so I have a least a little more in this post neolink says hes gonna run this. Hes cool.

Oh good. Recording on a cardboard box is just annoying...

I just did a lot of practice on the shadow temple. It looks like with the longshot clip to skip the block, the dungeon can be completed in less than ten minutes. I got 10:22 on a sloppy run so that's good.

Just finish my first full run! My time was 4:18:59, so a new world record!  :D
However,  I only got the record because of the new edits to the route. My actual run was laughably horrible. My guess is that 30-45 minutes can be saved using the currents starts.  I think I'll ry another run in 2 days, but until then,  I'm going to rest.

What?!?! You beat my record? Impossible!  ;D Nice job man, looks like sub 4 is quickly approaching. I have yet to attempt another run aside from my first one, mainly because water early needs alot of practice... alot of the time when I clip through the bomb was in the wrong place so I don't land in the water, which I'm not sure how to fix. I might just grab Iron Boots anyways like a scrub.

Sub 4 will be laughably easy with the new strats. Even if you do get iron boots, the block skip in the spirit temple saves more than enough time for sub 4. Also, I'm still gonna make a video for the setup for the grunz clip. I think I'll record it tonight if I can. Also do you do the megaflip skip in the block room in the water temple? I was having a lot of trouble with that, but I think I found a good setup. Anyways 4:19 can be greatly improved. I died 5 times in that run. 5!!! Not to mention that I made 2 huge mistakes in the fire temple, and lost loads of time in the water temple. Add that together with all of the other little mistakes and you have huge potential time saved! Wow this is exciting! :D

Exciting indeed. It's kind of funny you died 5 times lol. I'm getting more consistent at the clip, so that's good. Also, I'm uploading some stuff right now so expect that.

I look forward to it. I'm going to go record right now!

Im interested in this thing, but there are two things im wondering about.
1.who's neolink?
2.Are the gold gauntlets early skipped?

I'm not sure who neolink is because I'm new around here, but apparently he's cool...
Golden gauntlets early will most likely not be in our runs (I sure know it's not in mine) because you can just do the silver block skip in the spirit temple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DubDRFKs8g) so that you don't need any kind of gauntlets at all in the spirit temple. Then you can just get the golden gauntlets while you're completing the trials like you normally would.