OoT / MQ - Question & Answer / Trick Help Thread

Are you doing a low% run or a low% mst run?  Because in a low% segmented, you don't collect the hookshot, hoverboots, or bombs.  Instead, you megaflip across the gap by using a bombchu.  But yea, I think the easiest method to get across the bridge without Epona or the longshot is to hover boost.  I'm not much of an expert on the hookshot method. but my advice is to carefully watch the videos on the trick, pay close attention to Link's position, and try to replicate the videos as much as possible.     

Thanks for the answer, JRD05. The Hover Boost worked.

I realised that I shouldn't have called it a Low% run. I'm basically seeing how low a percentage I can personally finish the game with as I'm new to Oot speedrunning. Sorry for any confusion caused.

I have one more problem. I didn't do Spirit Temple as a child (can't pull off the Cuccoo jump yet) so I left it out. I now have the Shadow Medallion as an adult but no other medallions. I got the Requiem of Spirit and headed back to the Temple of Time for the Prelude of Light but Shiek won't budge.

Do I now have to complete the Forest Temple to get the Prelude of Light? Would getting the Requiem of Spirit as a child have avoided this problem?

Thanks!

Glozboy wrote

Do I now have to complete the Forest Temple to get the Prelude of Light? Would getting the Requiem of Spirit as a child have avoided this problem?

Yes, and yes.

Learn the cucco jump and wasteland without LoT IMO, they're not that hard. Jiano has a video showing how to pause buffer the cucco jump, and MP16 has a video of how to cross the wasteland without LoT.

Or you could just do this which is easier than child spirit/getting prelude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz1uAILmG1k .  If you don't have a shield you can jump onto the snake statue without a ground jump.

I hadn't thought of trying to skip the block like that.

If I then complete the Adult Spirit Temple, will the Light Arrows scene activate when I return to the Temple of Time?

Thanks for the advice everyone, I really appreciate it!

Glozboy wrote

If I then complete the Adult Spirit Temple, will the Light Arrows scene activate when I return to the Temple of Time?

Yes.  Only shadow and spirit medallions are required to activate the light arrow cutscene.

The new 100% route (giant's knife route) uses a trick to get to top of death mountain without explosives. How do I do it?

Captain Failcon wrote

The new 100% route (giant's knife route) uses a trick to get to top of death mountain without explosives. How do I do it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVdhcUBe24

Its a fairly hard trick though.

Since I'm not a big OoT guy I figured I'd ask about this: I think I found a way to do ZR rock clip without the GS. It still requires an ESS, which you do with the water, but I think it might be a bit faster. Would it be any faster in a run that using the GS? Just wondering.

Razor7581 wrote

Since I'm not a big OoT guy I figured I'd ask about this: I found a way to do ZR rock clip without the GS. It still requires an ESS, which you do with the water, but I think it might be a bit faster. Would it be any faster in a run that using the GS? Just wondering.

If you don't need the shield to do it, then it could definitely be useful.  Even with the shield if it's faster then it's significant. Please do tell.

Maxx wrote

If you don't need the shield to do it, then it could definitely be useful.  Even with the shield if it's faster then it's significant. Please do tell.

Forgot to put the "think" in there. Anyway, you do it with a jumpslash into a WESS, and then follow up with angle change. Having a bit of trouble with it, but it's very close. Angle change is quite difficult on GCN so, it might take a while.

Glitchesandstuff tried that a while ago and it doesn't work. A normal WESS doesnt have enough speed to clip through the rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwV0xqkFd4c

Long time lurker with a couple of questions.

I started a low% playthrough to get used to some of the harder tricks. Is there many changes to the route on the site? I noticed it was last updated in early 2010 so I wasn't sure if it's up to date or not.

Is there a single segment low% category? Hover boots would have to be added but I'm not sure what else would be changed if there was one.

Steve wrote

Long time lurker with a couple of questions.

I started a low% playthrough to get used to some of the harder tricks. Is there many changes to the route on the site? I noticed it was last updated in early 2010 so I wasn't sure if it's up to date or not.

Is there a single segment low% category? Hover boots would have to be added but I'm not sure what else would be changed if there was one.

Well, deku sticks have been skipped since then, but it requires one of 2 very long and difficult hovers which I highly suggest not doing if you're a beginner.

There is a low% SS category and it does get hover boots, and hylian shield I think (can't go to desert for mirror shield).  Its not on the site because we're lazy, but soon we will be able to update the site much faster and easier so hopefully we can get it up.  I do suggest you get hover boots in your run as well because it is one of the hardest items to skip, mainly for spirit, but if you think you can do it, then go for it.

Thanks ZFG. So far I've gotten to the spirit temple and have tried the hover in the second video to skip the silver block, but most of the time link won't go out of bounds like in the video (usually taking a couple extra chus to get out, sometimes not). I also can't get the angle change right when I do get out of bounds correctly, how does that work exactly? Thanks again

Steve wrote

Thanks ZFG. So far I've gotten to the spirit temple and have tried the hover in the second video to skip the silver block, but most of the time link won't go out of bounds like in the video (usually taking a couple extra chus to get out, sometimes not). I also can't get the angle change right when I do get out of bounds correctly, how does that work exactly? Thanks again

To get out of bounds all you should need to do is get as high as the acute angle ceiling, and after that it should push you out on the next backflip, so I'm not really sure what your problem is there.  Maybe you think you're higher than you are.

As for the angle change, while hovering out of the room you'll need to target a chu so that the black bars go away while hovering, and make sure not to press Z again until you do change angles.  For the actual angle change, hold up right/left and roll so that link rolls diagonally, then when he comes up from the roll quickly hit the direction you want to face and press Z to lock it.  From there its just some easy hovering.

Actually, what version are you using?  This hover only works on the GC version because chus have a double explosion when shield dropped OoB, but VC doesn't and N64 freezes.

Technically you can do the child silver block skip inside the temple on N64/VC, but it's so insanely hard that it may as well be impossible.

I'm on GC, I got the angle change while trying a bit this morning so hopefully I'll get it sometime this evening.

Edit- Managed to get it but my last chu missed the crystal for the 10 chu chest so I had to reset. But at least this block skip is fun (if a bit frustrating...ok very frustrating).

Edit2-Again, but this time the bugs crawled off the statue's hand when I was doing ocarina items >_>

Well, since I'm not really one who has kept up with MQ findings I thought I might as well ask if this is new or not. In the fire temple the first room on the left from the entrance: Like-Like clip to dungeon map early. New and/or useful?

Razor7581 wrote

Well, since I'm not really one who has kept up with MQ findings I thought I might as well ask if this is new or not. In the fire temple the first room on the left from the entrance: Like-Like clip to dungeon map early. New and/or useful?

It's old and useless.

Im doing a max% child run and Im trying to get the 37th heartpiece. is there any way to get over the last barricade, that you would normally hookshot over, besides hovering? because im really bad at staircase hovering and I tried the damage boostin' jumpslash but i couldnt find the angle.

I'm working on a RTA speed run and everything is coming together nicely except for the bridge skip. I really can't get it at all, every time I try I either fall off the bridge when doing the turn-around trick, or I don't grab onto the bridge when hookshotting across. Any tips?

Bonooru wrote

Im doing a max% child run and Im trying to get the 37th heartpiece. is there any way to get over the last barricade, that you would normally hookshot over, besides hovering? because im really bad at staircase hovering and I tried the damage boostin' jumpslash but i couldnt find the angle.

megaflip is the other option that can be used there.
i've got that piece with megaflip.

UchihaSasuke wrote

megaflip is the other option that can be used there.
i've got that piece with megaflip.

ok sounds good. thanks

question: what speed has the magic plant is this faster than superslide speed ?

just for interest

the magic bean cant be used as he is doing a max % child run

maybe this is a silly question but ive searched everywhere and i can't seem to find an answer

been watching a bunch of oot speedruns lately and in all of them whenever a song is required the person playing mashes through it in like a half second

whenever i try to input a song like that the buttons refuse to register, i have to wait like a half second between presses if i want anything to play. tried this on both n64 and gc, PAL versions of both, maybe thats the issue

thanks for any help

@zod, usually songs inputted that fast are done with the c-stick on gamecube controller

thundrio wrote

@zod, usually songs inputted that fast are done with the c-stick on gamecube controller

False. N64 players can play songs faster.