100% Segmented Team Run

D U F I wrote

I assumed he meant warping all over with farore's wind on B which is impossible to do without using RBA ;)

I did, no mention of death warping anywhere...

ridd3r wrote

I did, no mention of death warping anywhere...

You asked if the warp glitch ruined it, death warping should ruin it, as you can use it to skip the Emerald/Ruby cutscenes and the Forest, Fire, Shadow, Spirit Medallion cutscenes. You can skip water medallion's as well, but it results in the water not raising.

The more interesting question right now is whether it's faster to skip ganondorf or not.

mzxrules wrote

You asked if the warp glitch ruined it, death warping should ruin it, as you can use it to skip the Emerald/Ruby cutscenes and the Forest, Fire, Shadow, Spirit Medallion cutscenes. You can skip water medallion's as well, but it results in the water not raising.

The more interesting question right now is whether it's faster to skip ganondorf or not.

I discussed this with someone (RingRush and Cafde I think) and I don't think it will be. You would have to save Deku Tree for last, so you would have to make up for those gold skulltulas so you have enough for the heart piece when you visit kakariko for botw 2. So there would have to be some minor route changes here and there... also you have to either savewarp out of the trials or trials skip before you can warp and go do deku...

I guess it really comes down to whatever time the minor route changes take + backtracking to deku tree + extra stuff in deku vs just climbing the tower and killing ganondorf. There's also talk about banning Wrong Warp and RBA for Any% No RBA, so are we gonna ban wrong warping in 100% too? If so then deku cs skip (and fire in 100% seg'd) are out now. alk;sjdf;lkjds;alkjdf;lkjdsa;klsjdf

I guess nobody cares to finish this i take it?

Strongfox wrote

I guess nobody cares to finish this i take it?

No one's really been motivated to do segments since the cutscene skips and some segments might need to be redone which has caused a lack of motivation for a lot of us.

Best project gets on hiatus because of a freaking way to be even faster...that definitely sucks!

We're probably going to get started on this again soon.  We worked out a solution to add in kokiri emerald CS skip while keeping most of the route in sync, we only need to redo deku tree and 2 segments before it (though a few new segments are being added too).

For more info: http://pastebin.com/1zsNBKWt

I thought Ganondoor didn't work if you savewarped, because Deku Tree opening had to be the last cutscene you saw?

I believe the new method of getting straight to the File Select Screen from the intro cutscene fixes that. On its own this trick won't save time, but they're using it to warp to Ganon's Castle and exit it, which leads to Hyrule Castle.

Roehoer wrote

I thought Ganondoor didn't work if you savewarped, because Deku Tree opening had to be the last cutscene you saw?

Read up on the trick research and discovery thread.

It is useful for several reasons:
1) Ganondoor could be quicker than the death WW anyway, due to taking damage and needing the heart container.
2) It allows for the death counter on the file select screen to match up. This is pretty critical as it will allow for segments after deku to still line up.
3) As mentioned, it also allows for the edit to the SoS Grotto GS, so we don't have to do the seamwalk after Din's Fire.

I believe Pheenoh is working on segment 17-18 currently even though 17-18 could be left alone. I guess anyone else can start work on either of these as well. We can't do 19 until 18 is for sure agreed because of time of day factors.

Update: Pheenoh has a seg 17 he is cool with.

My segment 18 submission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTOHsw8L2ho

If everyone is happy with 18 we can move on to 19.

upload seg 19 save on ftp or here plz

Ok seg 18 accepted, moving on to 19.

Here is the Wii save if anyone wants to try: http://zeldaspeedruns.com/files/100saves/seg19.bin

And here is what this segment needs to accomplish:

Segment 19
-Prelude
-Skull mask [80 R]
-To hyrule castle
-Get Dins Fire [16 B]
-Play Minuet
-Get Saria's Song
-Pause: Save

Segment 19 submission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OJh5poHIyc
Segment 20 save: http://www.mediafire.com/?av75hrrv1knpzdv

Segment 19 submission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhSCupgtEBs

Feel free to frame war me if anyone wants to try. I know backwalking at the top of the vines is about .2-.5 seconds faster but it's very hard to do. Venick also said sidehopping to the vines themseles might be faster. If everyone is happy we can move onto 20.

Segment 20 Wii Save: http://zeldaspeedruns.com/files/100saves/seg20.bin

EDIT: The route is also (semi) updated on ZSR: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/routes/100-segmented#deku-tree-and-forest-area-segments-1925

So I had a thought about the deku stick upgrades and the 100% definition today.  You can get both stick upgrades from the deku scrub by duping the area by hovering over the loading zone and coming back in, which means there would be no need for the skull mask stick upgrade.  This has usually fallen into the category of "you can dupe it but still need to get both real ones" similar to GS and HP duping, though I was thinking you could also argue that is could fall into the "max upgrade" category, like gold scale and gold gauntlets.  Unlike HP and GS duping, you can't get more than the normal maximum of 30.  If you try to go back and get the skull mask upgrade, you'll "get it" but it wont actually increase your count.  Should duping the scrub upgrade count or should you be required to get both real upgrades?

Regardless of how it's defined, I doubt it would save much time (if at all) because if the extra bombs needed, so I doubt it would really effect anything, but I thought this could be interesting.  What does everyone else think about this?

Segment 20 submission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5uZ0_RgsR0

Segment 21 save http://www.mediafire.com/?czb4c283cd0hpdl

21 submission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRhde48FfE

Segment 22 submission http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fObbjrc80g8

Didn't do the damage boost which cost me half a second from my old segment 22, but I never got the damage boost in a single attempt so I just settled with this. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGr-WpZBOs

Shoutouts to jarvitz for killing this run. At least we had fun.

Pheenoh wrote

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGr-WpZBOs

Shoutouts to jarvitz for killing this run. At least we had fun.

Could you explain please?

This run was being done on Virtual console, but that glitch only works on N64 V1.0 and 1.1.  So this means that this run isn't exactly possible anymore since that glitch basically skips most of the adult trade sequence.

What are the differences between N64 1.0 and VC 1.0 via injected WAD? You'd think they would have the same glitches.

I don't think there's too much of a difference, but from what I've heard, injected WADs are illegal in the speedrunning community.

I'm bumping this because I want it to be completed. With the newer stuff and all the perks that come with doing a segmented run versus a single segment run how possible do you guys think it is to get under 5 hours?

At this point the run is not happening, as we would have to start completely from scratch with a new route. No one is really up to routing it right now so what hasn't been started cannot be finished.

The run was cancelled, because the new route requires 1.0 and to play on VC, to share save files, it has to be 1.2

And considering the fact that the RTA record is under 5 hours, I can tell you for sure that sub 5 would be possible  ::)

gamestabled wrote

The run was cancelled, because the new route requires 1.0 and to play on VC, to share save files, it has to be 1.2

And considering the fact that the RTA record is under 5 hours, I can tell you for sure that sub 5 would be possible  ::)

Oh crap you're right. I was thinking of MM. What a bummer.