Low% Discussion

edit: I'll probably give this run a shot once I get a recorder.

MM Low% Route by Jiano (I helped a bit)

First Cycle:
Normal Up to Clock Town
Skip to Night of Final Day
99R in Stock Pot Inn(99R)
Fairy in ECT
Deposit 99R(00R)(99R)
Escape ECT
41R Total in Termina Field/NCT(41R)(99R)
Magic
Deposit 41R(140R)
Moons Tear Skip
Ocarina of Time
SoT

Second Cycle:
*ALWAYS KEEP A C BUTTON EMPTY*
Song of Healing
Withdraw 50R(50R)(90R)
Buy Bomb Bag(20B)(00R)(90R)
Wrong Warp to Woodfall from NCT(7B)
To Deku Palace
Get Sonata of Awakening(4B)
Enter Woodfall Temple
Hover to Bow(0B)
Get Fairy Bow
Get Boss Key
To Odolwa
Odolwa with quickspins
Odolwa's Remains
To the Woods of Mystery
Get Bottle
Song of Time

Third Cycle:
Withdraw 60R(30R)
SoDT
Buy 20 Bombs(20B)
Bottle a Fish next to Scarecrow
Scarecrow Song
Hover into Curiosity Shop(9B)
Bottle Dupe over Deku Mask and empty c, then sell the fish(60R)
Deposit 60R(00R)(90R)
Exit WCT
Superslide to fence/hover over fence/slide to bay(5B)
Hess to Zora Mask(4B)
Pinnacle Rock Eggs
Deposit 3 Eggs
Get bombs/arrows behind observatory(9B)
Enter Pirate's Fortress
Hover gap(5B)
Isg slide to kill pirate(4B)
Skip Cut Scene with bow
Get Hookshot
Recoil flip through barrels(3B)
Get 1st Egg
Angled Jump to 2nd Egg
Get caught twice
Swim to observatory
Deposit 2 Eggs
Grab bombs behind observatory(8B)
Enter Pirate's Fortress
Angled Jump to 3rd Egg
Pirate Battle
Get 4th Egg
Get caught twice
Swim to observatory
Deposit last 2 eggs
Get NWBN
Swim to Zora Cape
Bombs next to Owl(13B)
Open GBT
Save/quit
Bombs next to Owl(18B)
Enter GBT
Hover across first gap(15B)
GBT BK Skip(4B)
Kill Gyorg
Gyrog's Remains
Bombs next to Owl(9B)
Save/quit
Bombs next to Owl(14B)
Save/quit
Bombs next to Owl(19B)
Enter Fairy Fountain(18B)
Wrong Warp to Snowhead(5B)
ISG outside of Cave(4B)
Superslide to Ramp(3B)
Enter Snowhead
To the main room
Bombs in basement 2x(13B)
Hookshot to 2nd Floor
Recoil Flips/Long Jumps to Wizrobe(11B)
Get Fire Arrows
Hookshot to 3rd Floor
Hover to 4th Floor(6B)
Hover to Boss Door(2B)
Boss Key Skip(1B)
Goht with arrows
Superslide to goht
Goht's Remains
Song of Time

Fourth Cycle:
Withdraw 60R(60R)(30R)
Buy 20 Bombs(20B)(00R)
Exit ECT
Superslide to Ikana(19B)
Superslide and hovers over the gates(18B)
Hover onto the wall(15B)
Recoil Flip down(14B)
Superslide to Ikana Canyon(13B)
Up to Ikana Owl
Bombs near Owl(18B)
Ascend Stone Tower(0B)
Bombs next to Owl(5B)
save/quit
Bombs next to Owl(10B)
save/quit
Bombs next to Owl(15B)
save/quit
Bombs next to Owl(20B)
Hover to STT(13B)
First Sun Block Skip(6B)
Small Key
Second Sun Block Skip(1B)
Bombs from Neijoros(11B)
2 Recoil Flips to Garo Master(9B)
Get Light Arrows
Death Warp to entrance
Invert STT(5B)
Light Arrow first sun block
Bomb recoil tp next floor(4B)
Recoil Flip to Eyegore(3B)
Kill Eyegore
Get Boss Key
Hookshot to Eyegore bridge
Enter Boss Door
Twinmold with arrows
Song of Time

Fifth Cycle:
Withdraw 30R
Buy 10 Bombs(10B)
Hover into Clock Tower(5B)
Superslide to Majora(4B)
Kill Majora

You didn't give a list of items, even though you state them during the route... something to think about :)

List of Items(21):
Magic
Ocarina of Time
Hero's Bow
Fire Arrows
Light Arrows
Bombs
Hookshot
Bottle
Deku Mask
Zora Mask
Bomb Bag
Quiver
Song of Time
Song of Healing
Sonata of Awakening
New Wave Bossa Nova
Oath to Order
Odolwa's Remains
GohT's Remains
Gyorg's Remains
Twinmold's Remains

Ok fixed.

Items you start with (kokiri sword and heros shield) shouldn't be counted.

Keese and Beamos hover up to STT FTW

Need to update the route with my Stone Tower trick. Also I didn't subtract a bomb for the deathwarp. Plenty of bombs to waste for inverting if need be:

Cross STT gap with Stop Time
First Sun Block Skip(13B)
Small Key
Second Sun Block Skip(8B)
Bombs from a Neijoro(13B)
2 Recoil Flips to Garo Master(11B)
Get Light Arrows
Death Warp to entrance(10B)
Invert STT(9B)
Light Arrow first sun block
Bomb recoil to next floor(8B)
Recoil Flip to Eyegore(7B)

Aw Blast Mask was finally cut.

So sad.

sounds good. the route looks ok

how do you climb stone tower with 18 bombs? Each gap takes 11 bombs... I guess you can megaflip (but only at the end), but that would mean a megaflip is the equivalent of 4 full backflips? (with 18 bombs, you get 9 per gap. Meaning you do 8 backflips across and 1 megaflip. With just backflips, after your 8th bomb, you'd backflip 3 more times (8+3=11) then backflip onto the platform (3+1=4)

I dont get it

Lexkeeta wrote

how do you climb stone tower with 18 bombs? Each gap takes 11 bombs... I guess you can megaflip (but only at the end), but that would mean a megaflip is the equivalent of 4 full backflips? (with 18 bombs, you get 9 per gap. Meaning you do 8 backflips across and 1 megaflip. With just backflips, after your 8th bomb, you'd backflip 3 more times (8+3=11) then backflip onto the platform (3+1=4)

I dont get it

Bomb drop from beamos says hi.

Ha, found a way to do this exact route SS, except we need to grab bombs in STT.  So, go left from the first room, and blow up the bombable wall in front of you.  The boxes hiding behind the crates (there's two of them) will hold 5 bombs every single time (or they did when i tested them).

Now, if anyone's insane enough to try this SS, we know it's possible.

@rr- most bomb drops are in the route, but yea that makes sense and allows for the perfect 22 explosives

@SD2- this isn't oot- everything that isn't a grass bush (snowballs, little blades of grass, pots, crates) will always be the same thing. It's beautiful.

Lexkeeta wrote

how do you climb stone tower with 18 bombs? Each gap takes 11 bombs... I guess you can megaflip (but only at the end), but that would mean a megaflip is the equivalent of 4 full backflips? (with 18 bombs, you get 9 per gap. Meaning you do 8 backflips across and 1 megaflip. With just backflips, after your 8th bomb, you'd backflip 3 more times (8+3=11) then backflip onto the platform (3+1=4)

I dont get it

It's possible to cross those gaps with 10 explosives(no megaflips). I tested this route a while back, so I know its doable. I know the first gap takes a lot less because you can start on top of that hookshot platform which cuts a lot of explosives.

Alright gents, I got a question...

How are you supposed to do WW to woodfall with just 20 bombs? I tried it, It seems a little akward. Anyone wanna make a demo vid or something? I wanna record the route to post here, and I'm not recording cycle 1.

why record a route when its much faster and easier to read one

1) I wanna try it
2) you guys don't believe I'm doing anything...

I found a place with free & unlimited (however really slow) internet. I can upload my MM 100% segments later, but in the meantime low% would be fun :p

so how would you do the WW? I guess I should keep wall hovers to a minimum?

The bomb counts were all tested so just go by those. It takes 13 explosives to WW with just bombs looking at the route. I'm not sure if the new FFWW is doable without chus. Probably not.

I believe you do 9 Hovers up, 3 Hovers back, then a megaflip.

how the fuck do you gbt bk skip with only bombs

Ok I was bored as fuck and decided to rewrite this route with new discoveries. HERE IT IS FOLKS:

Segment 1:
-Intro
-Normal up to Clock Town
-Reset to skip text

CYCLE ONE:

Segment 2:
-Evil grandma story twice
-Dance with scarecrow once
-Get rupee from inn
-Deposit 99R(0R)(99R)
-Fairy next to inn
-Escape ECT
-Manipulate 41R from bushes(41R)
-Get magic
-Deposit 41R(0R)(140R)
-Get Song of Time
-Play Song of Time and reset to skip cutscene

CYCLE TWO:

***ALWAYS KEEP ONE C BUTTON EMPTY IN THIS CYCLE***

Segment 3:
-Song of Healing
-Hit SCT Owl
-Save

Segment 4:
-Withdraw 50R(50R)(90R)
-Buy Bomb Bag(20B)(0R)
-Exit West Gate
-HESS to gossip stone near swamp(19B)
-Timestop to skip cutscene
-Superslide to Swamp(18B)
-Hit Swamp Owl
-Save

Segment 5:
-Deku hop to dock
-HESS to woods of mystery(17B)
-HESS to witch(16B)
-Get bottle
-Deku bigocto skip
-Enter Deku Palace
-ISGslide past guards(15B)
-1 Bomb Hover to flower(14B)
-Flower to monkey
-Learn sonata
-To Woodfall (don't learn Song of Soaring)
-SoA to open temple
-Hit Woodfall Owl
-Save

Segment 6:
-Enter temple
-ISG+Hover+Megaflip to torch(12B)
-Get bow
-Jump down to deku flower
-Shoot eye switch and deku flower to miniboss
-Get Boss Key
-Deku flower back to main room
-Light torches
-To Odolwa
-Odolwa with quickspins(11B)
-Song of Time

CYCLE 3:

Segment 7:
-Withdraw 60R(60R)(30R)
-SoDT
-Buy 20 Bombs(20B)(0R)
-Catch fish from trading post
-Hover into Curiosity Shop(9B)
-Bottle dupe over Deku Mask, Empty C, sell fish(60R)
-Deposit 60R(0R)(90R)
-Exit WCT
-ISGslide to fence(8B)
-Staircase over fence(6B)
-HESS to Zora Mask(5B)
-Hit bay owl
-Save

Segment 8:
-To Pinnacle Rock
-Get 3 eggs
-Save at bay owl

Segment 9:
-Deposit eggs
-Bombs+Arrows behind lab(10B)
-To Pirate's Fortress
-Hover+Megaflip gap(7B)
-ISGslide past pirate(6B)
-Cutscene skip with bow
-Recoil flip past barrels for hookshot
-First egg
-Angled jump to second egg
-Get caught twice
-Save at bay owl

Segment 10:
-Deposit 2 eggs
-Bombs+arrows from pots again(11B)
-To Pirate's Fortress
-Hookshot torch
-Next 2 eggs
-Get caught twice
-Save at bay owl

Segment 11:
-Deposit 2 eggs
-NWBN
-Save at bay owl

Segment 12:
-Swim to zora cape
-Bombs next to owl(16B)
-Save

Segment 13:
-Bombs next to owl(20B)
-Frame perfect bullshit cutscene skip
-Save

Segment 14:
-Enter GBT
-Hover gap(17B)
-Ridiculous boss key skip method(6B)
-Gyorg's Remains
-Bombs next to owl(11B)
-Save

Segment 15:
-Bombs next to owl(16B)
-Save

Segment 16:
-Bombs next to owl(20B)
-Open FF(19B)
-Wrong Warp(6B)
-ISG outside cave(5B)
-Superslide behind mountain(4B)
-ISG on ramp(3B)
-Enter temple
-Block skip
-Bombs from basement twice(13B)
-Scarecrow skip
-Long jumps to Wizrobe(11B)
-Wizrobe Cutscene Skip
-Fire Arrows
-Hookshot to top floor, hover and megaflip(8B)
-Hovers and megaflip to boss door(5B)
-Boss key skip(4B)
-Goht with arrows
-HESS to warp(3B)
-Song of Time

CYCLE 4:

Segment 17:
-Withdraw 60R(60R)(30R)
-Buy 20 Bombs(20B)(0R)
-HESS to Ikana access(19B)
-Hover over gates(17B)
-Hover over wall(14B)
-Recoil flip down and superslide to canyon(12B)
-Hit Ikana owl
-Save

Segment 18:
-Bombs from grass(17B)
-HESS to stone tower(16B)
-Climb Stone Tower(0B)
-Bomb drop from pot(5B)
-Hit Stone Tower owl
-Save

Segment 19:
-Bomb drop from pot(10B)
-Save

Segment 20:
-Bomb drop from pot(15B)
-Save

Segment 21:
-Bomb drop from pot(20B)
-Time stop cross gap
-Hover over first sun block(13B)
-Key
-Second sun block(5B)
-Drops from Nejirons(15B)
-Recoil flips to Garo Master(13B)
-Light arrows
-To entrance
-Invert STT(9B)
-Light Arrow sun block
-Recoil to next floor(8B)
-Recoil to Eyegore(7B)
-Get boss key
-Hookshot giant's mask chest
-Twinmold with arrows
-Song of Time

CYCLE 5:

Segment 22:
-Withdraw 30R
-Buy 10 bombs
-Save

Segment 23:
-Hover into clock tower
-Majora
-Realize this run has exactly 23 segments
-Shit bricks

23 isn't significant in this game, though.

Indextic brought up a good point; if someone were to do a low% run, they would have to not hit any owls as triggering them is something that is saved when going back in time. As part of 100%, it is required to hit all 10 owls.

This makes segmenting low% impossible, as the best route would have only 2 cycles anyway

Kaztalek wrote

Indextic brought up a good point; if someone were to do a low% run, they would have to not hit any owls as triggering them is something that is saved when going back in time. As part of 100%, it is required to hit all 10 owls.

This makes segmenting low% impossible, as the best route would have only 2 cycles anyway

Yeah that's one of those things that I think everyone would be okay with over looking.

19 item low% skipped hookshot,bombs,bomb bag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alLSs02XG1Q&feature=plcp

List of Items(19):
Magic
Ocarina of Time
Hero's Bow
Fire Arrows
Light Arrows
Bottle
Deku Mask
Zora Mask
Blast Mask
Quiver
Song of Time
Song of Healing
Sonata of Awakening
New Wave Bossa Nova
Oath to Order
Odolwa's Remains
Goht's Remains
Gyorg's Remains
Twinmold's Remains

How did you get ISG without bombs or chus?

lol, because of a video of you at the moon without those items that no one has skipped yet is going to convince anyone without an explanation? no

ING-X wrote

How did you get ISG without bombs or chus?

i get isg off enemies and pots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IWovOHrvVk

How long did the completion take? Can't imagine all that hovering with Blast Mask.

still doesn't explain how to get into pirate's fortress

_________さん wrote

still doesn't explain how to get into pirate's fortress

I get all the eggs from pinnacle rock and skip pirate fortress

You only have 2 duped bottles to work with. GL with making that work. You can only get 5 eggs max.