WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

Thanks. :D
I wont give up. Earlier in this thread I found a comment where you said that some have tried to skip the first 3 dungeons. How? And is it completely impossible to restore the Master Sword early by Wrong Warping to TotG and all that? The Wrong Warp made me confused.

Marcus wrote

Earlier in this thread I found a comment where you said that some have tried to skip the first 3 dungeons. How? And is it completely impossible to restore the Master Sword early by Wrong Warping to TotG and all that? The Wrong Warp made me confused.

I agree about the confusing wrong warp. Anyway, is it completely possible to restore the Master Sword, I have no doubt (just having some problems getting it to work). After that & the trial skips are finished there's just a few things I need to figure out before making this the best WW speedrun ever:
1. Wrong Warp inside ToG (Hoping Ani or Phazon will help out on this)
2. Ringing the ToG Bell w/out Grappling Hook (No clue on this one)
3. Bombs w/out pirate ship (There's already a theory that you can get them from Gohdan)
4. Get to Ganon w/out hookshot & grappling hook (Needs more consideration, hover would sure be useful)
To be continued...

Do frozen enemies count as an unmovable, at least when it comes to ledge clipping? I can't remember if I ever checked...

The current list of unmovables are; Medli, Makar, orbs, stone chus, stuned magtails, Armos statues (lol if someone manages a clip off the large statues), and Tetra...

Razor wrote

1. Wrong Warp inside ToG (Hoping Ani or Phazon will help out on this)

I don't know about Ani, but I'm almost 100% positive that this is impossible. To warp into ToG means you have already erected *snicker* the ToG by placing the 3 pearls. Not only that, but the wrong warp demonstrated by Ani doesn't warp to the ToG quadrant and the FF2 wrong warp (if I can ever get it to work again, and trust me I have been trying) isn't possible until after ToG has been completed. You could try getting the fade-in to occur somewhere else and warp from that, but there's no reason to believe that it'd lead to a different quadrant, and as I said before, without the pearl placements warping to ToG quadrent is useless. Unless you know of a different method to wrong warp, I don't think this'll be doable. 3 still interests me. I don't think there is a way into ToG without bombs, but I'd still like to know what happens when Gohdan tries to give you some extra bombs.

Phazon wrote

Unless you know of a different method to wrong warp, I don't think this'll be doable. 3 still interests me. I don't think there is a way into ToG without bombs, but I'd still like to know what happens when Gohdan tries to give you some extra bombs.

A new method of wrong warp is what I'm trying to figure out & what I need some help on. Marcus and I are currently working on the trial skips so if you could help it would be much appreciated. I'm also curious to see what happens when Gohdan gives you bombs--hopefully the game won't crash--, but as I don't use cheats, I need to find some sort of wrong warp into the ToG (without the pearls). I could really use your help Phazon.
EDIT- Here are some other things I need to add to the list:
5. Deku Leaf & Boomerang Early (Not sure if we can completely skip the Deku Leaf yet. It takes too long to go play through the FW to get the boomerang; if early's not possible, maybe a skip on the Puppet Ganon battle would be possible--would solve the problem of number 4--)
6. (This spot is reserved for fixing any game crashes that may occur in the process of testing)

A great idea just popped into my head. New theory: would it be possible to develop a method to get the fire/ice arrows before the bow? I know that you can get into the fairy island early with cd streaming, but not sure how to activate the fairy cutscene early. This could be a good timesaver in the ToG, but arrises some questions:
1. Would the game also automatically give you the normal arrows too?
2. What all could be skipped?
3. Could this lead to ToG early?
4. Because we don't have the Ballad of Gales, would we be stuck in the island or could we savewarp out?
*5. Crashes? (Hope not.)
Testing needs to be done on this theory. Could lead to ToG early, which would save a lot of time & effort. I'll do my best to get this to work. If anyone finds anything with this leave a reply and post a video on Youtube.

By SDA rules, that CD streaming trick isn't allowed. I don't think you can interfere with the console in any way during a segment. I've tried skipping Puppet Ganon before. I tried a fire arrow on the cauldron from the bottom floor, which would allow me to warp to the top and up to Ganon, but you have to be so damn precise on those cauldrons to open them, that my hope of a stray bit of fire flying through the platform and opening it was optimistic to say the least.

Phazon wrote

By SDA rules, that CD streaming trick isn't allowed. I don't think you can interfere with the console in any way during a segment. I've tried skipping Puppet Ganon before. I tried a fire arrow on the cauldron from the bottom floor, which would allow me to warp to the top and up to Ganon, but you have to be so damn precise on those cauldrons to open them, that my hope of a stray bit of fire flying through the platform and opening it was optimistic to say the least.

This isn't SDA though, and anyway, wrong warp there might be possible. I like your idea on skipping the Puppet Ganon battle, but like you said, it would take a lot of percision, and--to add to the problems--you'd be dodging PG's fists as well. I really like the idea though, and hope to get around to working with it. If you can get it right will you post a video? :)

I gave up on it, because I'm pretty sure it's impossible. I couldn't make a vid anyway, because my DVD-recorder hasn't been working for months now.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd want my run to be on SDA as well as here, so I follow the rules from there since there really aren't any rules of ZSR to follow (that I know of?).

Phazon wrote

I gave up on it, because I'm pretty sure it's impossible. I couldn't make a vid anyway, because my DVD-recorder hasn't been working for months now.

Like I told Marcus, don't give up on it. In the world of ZSR, you're one of the brightest minds we've got. I'm really busy with the trial skips so if you could work on this it would be extremely appreciated.
EDIT- Adding these to the list:
5. Skip Puppet Ganon Battle (Phazon said that he had an idea on this that sounded very useful. Skipping this not only saves time, but also alows for the boomerang to be skipped)
6. (Reserved for crashes)
7. Deku Leaf Early (It would save a lot of time and skip some long cutscenes to get this early--I'm thinking an RBA-like method--. Until I can prove that the DL is 100% skippable, this will remain on the list)

Razor wrote

In the world of ZSR, you're one of the brightest minds we've got.

Knowing me, I'd say that's a pretty bad insult to everyone else here xD. Anyway, I don't know what you want me to do. When I get an idea about something I'll test it, but in this case I was convinced that it just wasn't possible. At the moment I'm still trying to get the FF2 fade-in to happen again so I can try and WW off it. I never understood RBA so I don't really know what you mean there. I don't even know what RBA stands for <_<

A fairly pointless little trick - If you let the water rise all the way against HK and stand in a certain spot, you drop in and out of the water every frame (if you zoom in the game lags pretty noticeably).

Phazon wrote

I never understood RBA so I don't really know what you mean there. I don't even know what RBA stands for <_<

RBA stands for reverse bottle adventure. In OoT, what it basically did was when you had a certain item on a certain slot--normally a trading quest item on the right c slot-- and you had a bottle on B, and caught something in that bottle--normally a fish or bugs-- it would mess up the item codes and alow you to suddenly have a random item--depending on what was the certain item on that certain slot. What I ment by getting the deku leaf with a "RBA-like" method, is by having an item on a certain slot, x,y or z, and/or pressing the right combination of buttons--presumably during the beginning cutscene-- it would alow you to start the game with an item you're not supposed to have--hopefully the deku leaf and fully restored Master Sword ;D--. The only problem being that there are over 400 different button combinations and I have no idea which leads to the DL & MS. Now, what I want you to do is try to find how to do any of the glitches on my previous lists and/or any other glitches that you think will come in handy in the above processes.

Alright, but I don't know how the bottle is set to B in OoT, so I don't know how I'd go about doing it in WW.

Indeed, that water ledge splash effect needs a video...

Razor wrote

What I ment by getting the deku leaf with a "RBA-like" method, is by having an item on a certain slot, x,y or z, and/or pressing the right combination of buttons--presumably during the beginning cutscene-- it would alow you to start the game with an item you're not supposed to have--hopefully the deku leaf and fully restored Master Sword ;D--. The only problem being that there are over 400 different button combinations and I have no idea which leads to the DL & MS.

I like your enthusiasm but this sounds to me like pure science fiction

Phazon wrote

Alright, but I don't know how the bottle is set to B in OoT, so I don't know how I'd go about doing it in WW.

In OoT the bottle is set to B by stealing the fishing rod from the pond, and then pausing and unpausing, then fimally back flipping and pressing the fish/bugs in a bottle then B before you hit the ground. I'm hoping that in WW though that a bottle on B won't be necessary. I know Ani found how to remain swordless after FF.

MrSparkle wrote

Indeed, that water ledge splash effect needs a video...

Not quite sure what you're talking about here. Hope that you can help to clear this up. Sounds like a video would be nice. :)

Cosmo wrote

I like your enthusiasm but this sounds to me like pure science fiction

I am very optimistic on this theory. But, I strongly believe that this is far from science fiction. I just need some testing to be done on it, as I am currently occupied with the trial skips.

Cosmo wrote

I like your enthusiasm but this sounds to me like pure science fiction

Agreed. RBA is a 'Game Bug' specifically for Ocarina of Time. Game bugs appear when there is a programatical error in some place that the game programmer wasn't able to spot before the final release. The chances of WW to have exactly the same 'Bug' is very low. I would use my time on finding other bugs than testing out every button combination in the hopes of finding a nonexistant RBA. Just my 2 cents...

Externalist wrote

Agreed. RBA is a 'Game Bug' specifically for Ocarina of Time. Game bugs appear when there is a programatical error in some place that the game programmer wasn't able to spot before the final release. The chances of WW to have exactly the same 'Bug' is very low. I would use my time on finding other bugs than testing out every button combination in the hopes of finding a nonexistant RBA. Just my 2 cents...

I'm not saying exactly the same bug. I'm suggesting something similar and just using RBA as a refferance. And about your "using your time on finding other bugs than testing out every button combinations in hope of finding a nonexistant RBA", well, if you want to look for other bugs that's fine. The will probably be something small that will be useless in 6 months to a year, it's been proven. If me, or somebody else, doesn't test the button combinations--which is a very tedious process-- then we miss the chance to discover a huge break in WW. 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnxfkb83AG8

While serching for oob in ganon's tower, I found this. The left side seems quiet different but I haven't try.

Nice stuff.

More search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wu1Gu7pjqg

Almost OOB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbinFT4NKBk

New idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB5brrcusns

I do have a wrong warp theory. It is possible to get the Ghost ship Chart very early in the game, right after beating Forbidden Woods. Klyde has a video of it. Try to Wrong Warp using the ghost ship and a bomb taken out via Tingle Tuner Stop-n-Swap. I don't quite have the patience to test this, but I may anyway. :)

Razor...please do research before posting stuff. You're just making yourself look bad :(

At least you have a fervor for testing. Just please learn how to do it a little better...

Majora MM, get on the IRC :P I wanna talk to you.

Cerpin_Taxt wrote

Razor...please do research before posting stuff. You're just making yourself look bad :(

At least you have a fervor for testing. Just please learn how to do it a little better...

What do you think I'm doing right now? I always test before just saying things. I hope to really crack down on the trial skips today, I'll laugh when I get them to work. 8) Anyway, Thanks for the wrong warp reference.  :) Yes, I have seen Klyde's video, it's a genius method.
@Majora MIM:
Thanks for all the hard work you're doing, it's really a great help. It looks like you're on the brink of finding something, I sure hope that you do. ;D

...if you really believe this will work go find bottle dupe in WW

Without that there's no way to get bottle B except through black magic

You could never RBA normal items even in OOT

Windwaker is not OOT

You cannot skip the boomerang unless you find Early ToG, or a way to beat Kalle Demos without it

Cerpin_Taxt wrote

...if you really believe this will work go find bottle dupe in WW

Without that there's no way to get bottle B except through black magic

You could never RBA normal items even in OOT

Windwaker is not OOT

You cannot skip the boomerang unless you find Early ToG, or a way to beat Kalle Demos without it

I don't believe that a bottle on B will be necessary. But, if it is, I'll try to find a way. I know that Windwaker isn't OoT, and that's what makes the ideas probable. About the boomerang skip, I know that ToG early would be the way. I've already commented on this in the past. Haven't got around to testing wrong warp with the Ghost Ship yet. I'll try to get around to it.

Razor wrote

I know that Windwaker isn't OoT, and that's what makes the ideas probable.

Other way around, dude. Because it isn't oot, it's not programed the same way, therefore the same methods won't work. They probably learned from their past programming flaws, so there's no way to really know if the same principles apply (like linking an item slot to another item like RBA does)

What makes your idea of the combination of buttons sound like science fiction is the fact that this is zelda. Zelda has no 'cheat' system, like Sonic or other games, where a combination of buttons would link to a different menu or to a debug area. The only thing zelda has even remotely close (and calling it remotely close is a massive stretch) to something like that is the new game+ aspect like in Zelda 1 and WW with its costume and Hylian translations.
Also, even if it were the case, I wouldn't even consider it a 'breakthrough'. If what you were to say is true about starting off with different items via a combination of buttons, then it was intended by the developers. they literally gave you the tools to do that, which in certain aspects is considered cheating. To me, that would feel the exact same as using a gameshark/AR to do so, which around here is not accepted for runs.


As much as I hate being unsupportive/deconstructive especially when it comes to Wind Waker discoveries, I don't foresee any of these ideas becoming a reality.

AniMeowzerz wrote

Also, even if it were the case, I wouldn't even consider it a 'breakthrough'. If what you were to say is true about starting off with different items via a combination of buttons, then it was intended by the developers. they literally gave you the tools to do that, which in certain aspects is considered cheating. To me, that would feel the exact same as using a gameshark/AR to do so, which around here is not accepted for runs.


As much as I hate being unsupportive/deconstructive especially when it comes to Wind Waker discoveries, I don't foresee any of these ideas becoming a reality.

I doubt that the game developers would ever have intended such to happen. That's like saying that the game developers can forsee the glitches that are going to arise in new games. And anyway, I don't cheat. I hate AR and gameshark. If I can find a method, I will prove to you that it's not "cheating".

I was working on the trial skips today, but after some frustration, I took a break and found something promising. I had always been thinking that it would be great to be able to skip the three goddess statues. In the room before the room where you take them, there are two statues. I found a way to clip one of them through the door, but it doesn't appear on the other side, and, anyways, I was hoping to clip Link through the door. Right now it's more like Phazon's stick glitch, but I'm hoping to clip the door soon with a new theory. I'm not uploading anything yet until I do a bit more testing. Hopefully, the clip is possible.  ;D

Razor wrote

I was working on the trial skips today, but after some frustration, I took a break and found something promising. I had always been thinking that it would be great to be able to skip the three goddess statues. In the room before the room where you take them, there are two statues. I found a way to clip one of them through the door, but it doesn't appear on the other side, and, anyways, I was hoping to clip Link through the door. Right now it's more like Phazon's stick glitch, but I'm hoping to clip the door soon with a new theory. I'm not uploading anything yet until I do a bit more testing. Hopefully, the clip is possible.  ;D

I don't see how that would allow us to skip the 3 goddess statues or save any time at all.

Marcus wrote

I don't see how that would allow us to skip the 3 goddess statues or save any time at all.

It's only a theory, and the idea is that the room unloaded might have some different aspects to it. For instance, the light warp thing might be activated.