MST Route Discussion

It's done by forward stabbing, apparently.

By gate did he mean the one we longshot clip through or the one in the beginning of the dungeon?

Where we longshot clip. If you have more smaller questions, please go to the IRC (if i'm online, I'm on the IRC.) Just trying to keep this place a little less cluttered.

As soon as somebody can confirm a shadow block skip without longshot or a big sword it will actually be pretty significant to the route, changing it to shadow-forest-water-spirit-fire so I encourage you guys to put some effort into it if you're feeling bored sometime :D

It seems the routing is finally calming down a bit, maybe I can start doing runs now? Haha stay cool guys.

Can do Taylor. Anyways, now that we have shadow early, I do have some time savers I'd like to bring up. If you get the hoverboots and the hammer before going to the water temple there are several hammer slides that you can perform. I found three that would save time to be exact. One of them will barely save any time, but if you do the other two, it will prevent you from having to raise/lower the water 3 times. That means that you'd only have to lower the water once throughout the entire dungeon, and you wouldn't have to raise it at all. Although, getting to the two water changing points is now easy with hoverboots and FW we save extra time by not having to play Zelda's Lullaby.

For the first hammer slide you can open then West door on the 3rd floor without raising the water: I know there's a video somewhere, but can't find at the moment. I will edit in later.

The second doesn't save too much time but it saves some. In the room directly before dark link, you can hammer slide from the platform you start on, to the final platform opposed to as opposed to hovering around to each platform of the room: no video found.

The final hammer slide allows you to get to the boss door without the longshot, and it also prevents you from having to raise the water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzdSUzMiPk

I don't think it's worth it, but it might save more time to actually skip the longshot now and do shadow early. I'm going to try some stuff, but I think having the longshot clip will be the fastest route still. I'm going to be going through other dungeons now, as well as searching for videos, looking for other things that can help us out as well.

benstephens1000 wrote

Can do Taylor. Anyways, now that we have shadow early, I do have some time savers I'd like to bring up. If you get the hoverboots and the hammer before going to the water temple there are several hammer slides that you can perform. I found three that would save time to be exact. One of them will barely save any time, but if you do the other two, it will prevent you from having to raise/lower the water 3 times. That means that you'd only have to lower the water once throughout the entire dungeon, and you wouldn't have to raise it at all. Although, getting to the two water changing points is now easy with hoverboots and FW we save extra time by not having to play Zelda's Lullaby.

For the first hammer slide you can open then West door on the 3rd floor without raising the water: I know there's a video somewhere, but can't find at the moment. I will edit in later.

The second doesn't save too much time but it saves some. In the room directly before dark link, you can hammer slide from the platform you start on, to the final platform opposed to as opposed to hovering around to each platform of the room: no video found.

The final hammer slide allows you to get to the boss door without the longshot, and it also prevents you from having to raise the water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBzdSUzMiPk

I don't think it's worth it, but it might save more time to actually skip the longshot now and do shadow early. I'm going to try some stuff, but I think having the longshot clip will be the fastest route still. I'm going to be going through other dungeons now, as well as searching for videos, looking for other things that can help us out as well.

if you wanted to skip longshot you'd only need two keys for boss key in Water Temple. however as i've said before you can get boss key without hover boots, longshot, or iron boots with the water lowered but getting to the boss door without longshot you need hover boots.

Specifically in the uber challenge thread I made one hover boot use that is water temple boss room also can be used for gate skip to skip gerudo card other then that you don't need them to get boss key in water temple without longshot

May be changing the din requirement in the Challenge if you can still bottle dive with a fish or bugs have yet to test it

I have tried fish diving, either I'm not doing it right or it doesn't work. Try it for yourself, i'm bad :P

Alright so if we can get through the gate with a big sword, maybe getting the giant's knife is worth it. What if we collected 10 convenient gold skulltulas as young link, and after we get the hookshot, get the big wallet. On the way through the lost woods we can kill skull kid to fill our wallet. After forest temple, we'd go through the lost woods to Goron City and buy the knife. Luckily text is pretty short although we do have to blow open those walls. After that we can easily get the goron tunic and go to the fire temple. If we do this (I need to test if it would be any faster) we could skip the longshot and still skip most of the shadow temple.

If this does end up being faster, here's a route:

-Normal until bottle.
-Grab bugs behind skulltula house
-Bombs
-Skulltula in soil outside DC (bombs)
-Bugs outside fairy room
-Fairy
-DMC crate skulltula (bombs)
-Set Nocturne warp
-Skulltula behind bombable wall on DMT (bombs)
-Nocturne
-Set Requiem warp
-Skulltula in soil in the section of Lost woods with the bridge (bombs)
-Bugs in bushes outside Goron City entrance in Lost Woods
-Skulltula in soft soil outdide Kokiri shop (bombs)
-Requiem
-Skulltula in soil near the 2 deku scrubs in the Lost Woods (sword)
-Skulltula on the latter in Zora's River (slingshot)
-Skulltula in the room where you raise water in Jabu Jabu (slingshot/sword)
-Skulltula in room before boss in Jabu Jabu (sword/slingshot/boomerang)
-Skulltula in tree in Zora's Fountain (sword)
-Skulltula in tree in front of Hyrule Castle (sword)

*(  ) = means of killing skulltula

I have 11 skulltulas on this list so one could be skipped. There are other skulltulas that could be gotten, but are out of the way, depend on it being night, and require items to be killed that are not available at that part in the route.

Edit: another skulltula that could be gotten would be the one in the crate in the Hyrule pot room.

I honestly dont think that getting the adults wallet, and the big sword, is something that will happen.

I don't think it will either Gamestabled, but I'm going to time some stuff tonight and crunch some numbers to see what we're looking at. I'll also work on that gate skip as well and see if I can get it somewhat consistent since, if that route is somehow faster, we'll only have several tries to get it before the sword breaks.

gamestabled wrote

As soon as somebody can confirm a shadow block skip without longshot or a big sword it will actually be pretty significant to the route, changing it to shadow-forest-water-spirit-fire so I encourage you guys to put some effort into it if you're feeling bored sometime :D

Thanks GS found a way to clip through it with..a bomb. Can i get a cookie now ;D
Also video coming up. How come this wasnt tested yet?

<3

You can have a plate full of cookies!!! <3
It has been tested, you just found the way.
EDIT: I just got it first try without even knowing what to do. Why wasnt this found already?

New route is shadow, forest, water, spirit, fire i suppose.

Wheeee cookies *insert pic of cookie monster here* :D who knows GS maybe we have been slackers.
Its actually a bit tricky to do.

The only thing standing in the way of skipping longshot is fire trial. However, I just tested it and you can hoverslide from the platform that goes down when you stand on it with normal boots, the part thats closet to the ledge we want. you have to be wearing hovers so it wont go down, so it goes like equip hovers, get in position, drop the bomb, take hovers off then hoverslide. I'll make a video.

No more longshot  ;D

Bye longshot *sniff* :'( im going to miss you.
Awesome job taylortotdoesntfailanymore.
(whos/whats taylortot and why does he win?)

Seriously you guys are awesome. I thought that all of the secrets in this game had been found, but we just keep finding stuff! I eagerly await both videos that will be coming showing the fire trial and the bomb clip. This seriously feels like we're getting closer to the final route and to -3:30 times. I'm gonna test some of this stuff, and maybe even do a run tonight if I can. Goodbye longshot and good riddance!

I'm been practicing the gate skip for a solid hour.  I got it on my first attempt, but I have yet to succeed again. I must be doing something wrong... This is gonna suck for me I think. And don't en get me started on hoverslides -_____-

figures all this stuff is found the first time i try a run, though i couldnt get up to magic lol.  i did pull off a tektike superslide to the three boulders wich was pretty cool.  For the supposed bomb gate skip, what exactly do you do?  if this was discussed on irc i missed it, as ive had to hop from computer to computer the last few days and not all of them can run irc

cloudzack117 wrote

For the supposed bomb gate skip, what exactly do you do?

Well I'm not entirely sure yet, but there will be a video soon. Basically what I remember doing is putting a bomb behind me and running  towards the seam between the gate and the wall.

OMFG i just went to shadow to try and practice and realised that i duped over my bombs on my main file trying to get FW ng+ and saved

Slowly walk against the wall to the right in the gate room. Where the gate meets the black thing on the wall, you can feel a little bump like the gate part is slightly more prominent than the wall part. You want to get as close in the corner of this invisible corner as you can without moving to far left onto the 'prominent' or gate part of the wall. One good way I can usually tell is when the very middle  top of links hat is lined up with the small white line on the left side of the black line on the wall. Anyway, once you get into position just pivot 180, A-drop a bomb, pivot 180 again, then target the wall and walk straight forward.

Hey Taylor, do you mind if I record the fire trial hover boost too?

Thanks a bundle and a half Taylor for that detailed description. I haven't missed the clip once after reading that. Great find Pedal. I finally am beginning to like this route :)

Heres da video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOH0aWSb-Eo
Sorry if I'm late, ran into some problems.
Alternate fire trial without longshot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF1LGFiX0Ik

So, if you're skipping longshot, does that mean no Dark Link?

3:30, well done guys. I don't do ww, so I couldn't ever run this (unless we make MST no ww), but seriously, WELL DONE.

Any one gonna help me revive 100% now?

Norkix wrote

So, if you're skipping longshot, does that mean no Dark Link?

3:30, well done guys. I don't do ww, so I couldn't ever run this (unless we make MST no ww), but seriously, WELL DONE.

Yes we are skipping dark Link. There is no need because we are skipping the longshot now that we have new shadow gate skip. Also no one has gotten 3:30 yet, but with this route I believe it is very much possible.

Hey-oh new world record :D
3:47:52 I can't say I'm too happy with it, but it will do until I can get another run in in 2 or 3 days. Water early was atrocious, spirit block skip was abominable, and the fire hover boost was atrocious, but it's a new record. In an hour or so I will probably post some split times that I recorded.

Fairy Ocarina - 0:7:26
Zelda’s Lullaby - 0:16:15
Goron Bracelet - 0:28:39
Bombs - 0:38:37
Nocturne of Shadow - 0:49:13
Requiem of Spirit -  0:59:00
Zora Sapphire - 1:12:05
Master Sword - 1:21:40
Hover Boots - 1:30:33
Shadow Medallion -  1:40:49
Forest Medallion - 1:58:39
Fire Medallion - 2:21:48
Water Medallion - 2:41:11
Spirit Medallion - 3:04:26
Ganondorf - 3:38:24
Ganon - 3:47:52

These may not be so incredibly accurate due to my ghetto setup for taking splits, but it should serve its purpose good enough.

When are we going to see vids/recordings of 3ds mst runs?!
Not for proof, but for the entertainment value clearly and seeing all the magic taking place in one single segment! ;D

Not sure. Takes a lot of practise, patience, time etc. to play 3:50 minutes. Recording can be a bit difficult too.
Maybe Taylor, GS or Tom might do one. I would do one if it wouldnt take so long to do.
(Has Tom said anything about that surprise yet?)

I would start recording but I don't currently have a camera that can record 4 hours of game play. However I am working on getting something together possibly. Also Tom hasn't unveiled any surprises.