MST Route Discussion

After you get bombs you'd just open dodongos mouth before getting magic right? Well why not just get the shield in the chest up there behind the bombable wall? I think that would be faster and more efficient than buying a shield.

All of this personal status updating  ::) Any questions on NG+ and what it even is are answered here: https://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/ng+/creating-a-ng-file (so you don't have to write lengthy things yourselves). Why not consider going back to Sword NG+, getting FW normally, & doing Restricted Item WWs, so you'll have FW and you can WW as an adult? It would save so much unless I'm missing something

Something like:
- TSC Forest Escape
- Zelda's Lullaby
- Open Darunia's Door
- Deku Stick in Goron City
- Saria's Song
- Bracelet
- Bombs
- Hylia Bottle
- Farore's Wind
- Magic

What we get:
- Much faster Child fights
- Skip traveling & Medallion cutscenes as Adult

Interesting idea Tom. However, I think you are underestimating the difficulty of wrong warping with RI. It's even worse than shadow early in the sense that you only have one shot it, and you're done. This wouldn't be a probelm if it were so difficult (difficult as in frame perfect).

I just gave the current route a test drive, and I have a few things that might need to be changed:
-after getting the bracelet, I think it would be faster to complete deku first, as we get sling so we don't have to hellfire skip, and it really doesn't waste time to do deku first anyways.
-gohma. We need more deku nuts (I think? can you 3 cycle gohma with a deku stick?)

Tom Nook wrote

All of this personal status updating  ::) Any questions on NG+ and what it even is are answered here: https://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot3d/ng+/creating-a-ng-file (so you don't have to write lengthy things yourselves). Why not consider going back to Sword NG+, getting FW normally, & doing Restricted Item WWs, so you'll have FW and you can WW as an adult? It would save so much unless I'm missing something

Something like:
- TSC Forest Escape
- Zelda's Lullaby
- Open Darunia's Door
- Deku Stick in Goron City
- Saria's Song
- Bracelet
- Bombs
- Hylia Bottle
- Farore's Wind
- Magic

What we get:
- Much faster Child fights
- Skip traveling & Medallion cutscenes as Adult

pretty sure you need to get magic before farore's wind pretty sure you cant get farore's before magic but yeah taylor is right r.i farores is only one shot so next to impossible but still do able if you dont mess up lol

Really isn't that hard... Since it is faster we should learn how to do it. I'd make the same case for Shadow Early if it was faster

Tom Nook wrote

Really isn't that hard... Since it is faster we should learn how to do it. I'd make the same case for Shadow Early if it was faster

shadow early is actually pretty easy for me been looking for another way besides rba but poe hover is fine for me just trying to find an easier way for people i experiment around the graveyard everyday nothing yet few place i've tried so close not enough height still experimenting with one thing just about 2 cm higher it could work dam link only if he'd jump a tad higher

The thing is that it's almost impossible to make a setup for this. If you manage to make one, he'll yeah let's do it. Even if you can't make a setup, you can go ahead and run that if you want to. For me, at least until I complete a really solid run, isn't worth the trouble. Once again, I'm not saying it's too far fetched. It just isn't viable when this category hasn't gotten super competitive yet (3 completed runs between 2 people.)

Also, shadow early would save tons of time. If you have a setup for isg, let me at it! ;D

I feel that we should just stick with what we have now. If times get more competitive then we switch to using RI WWs. Personally I think it'd be possible with a lot of practice. I mean technically we only need to get it right when we WW to silver gauntlets. If we screw it up on the cutscene skips it wouldn't destroy a run. However I'm gonna stick to NG+ for now. I think I'm gonna practice fire room a little more. I think that I have a good setup for the first. I kind of have a setup for the second room, but it's far less consistent and not as smooth. If I can get it a little better I might make videos.

I think I'm still going for a run tonight. I'd like to try out the new route if I can. Luckily all of the stuff that I haven't practiced is in the first hour of the run :)

Shadow early would be great. It could save tons of time in the water temple and would make water temple before forest temple possible. Not to mention we wouldn't have to watch the nocturne cutscene. :)

LttpMmOot wrote

shadow early is actually pretty easy for me been looking for another way besides rba but poe hover is fine for me just trying to find an easier way for people i experiment around the graveyard everyday nothing yet few place i've tried so close not enough height still experimenting with one thing just about 2 cm higher it could work dam link only if he'd jump a tad higher

Dude... punctuation... please...

Norkix wrote

Dude... punctuation... please...

Sorry, But anyways been trying something for another Shadow Temple early method, and still might be hope yet.

Get back to you later if I actually manage it.

It seems redundant to run this if it isn't optimal guys

Dude, like I said, if you want to run that route by all means go ahead. I will not be, at least for the time being. This route has changed SO much in the past week that it's to early on to call this route the final one. We shall see.

I had it! I was so close. My third run attempt tonight I was on fire nothing could stop me... and then I killed myself with my own fucking bomb! Goddamn I am so upset! I don't think I can attempt another run tonight, I'm too upset. I think I'll just play some TF2 tonight to vent my rage. Maybe I'll run again tomorrow :(

EDIT: I'm really close to getting the fire skip in DC consistent. I now have reference points in the first room that I have proven works. I still need more time with room two. Expect a video soon.

Few references for Slingshot Puzzle Skip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=gMtyo4vBp7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=ZEsSJDozmcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=p3RZ8kxei3A

Those should help a lot

I recommend tapping A when the screen is around 60% instead of 50%, works better (atleast for me) I think we need 2 dekusticks for gohma. Its possible to 1 cycle but its hard. Maybe we could get the shield from DC like ben suggested and buy sticks from kokiri shop. Why are we getting two shields? Also is it just me or is Tom somehow different?
And uh..how do you get past KZ after jabu?

Pedalpowertoast wrote

And uh..how do you get past KZ after jabu?

Was i supposed to set a warp earlier then equip sword, beat jabu, get FF and warp.

Oh after jabu. I thought the back side of him had no collision? If not then just savewarp and go form there.

TaylorTotFTW wrote

Oh after jabu. I thought the back side of him had no collision? If not then just savewarp and go form there.

Oh fuck...could you update the route a little. Jabu has collision and ruto is inside him. The only way to pass through KZ is to be adult, then melt KZ and quickly run past him. So are we going with the FW method or saving?

Here's what you do. 
After silver gauntlets, warp back to lost woodths. Then equip sword.  Navi dive to zoras river. TSC past the king,  beat jabu and save was warp. Simple

also I think we should attempt mirror shield early after getting the silver gauntlets.  If the megaflip
is failed then just go inside and get the song. If succeed you have one less iron knuckle to fight.

Fixed the route, we're savewarping. Not sure why I didn't think of that megaflip lol

How the fuck are you planning to go such a distance with a megaflip? That save thing is just annoying. I had some problems with files thats why. Isnt it faster to set a warp before equipping sword, beat jabu, get FW and warp? How long till Tom reveals his amazing hidden timesaver?

Just tried and the megaflip isn't nearly enough distance, I remember poodle getting there somehow but I remembered it was with a superslide. I'm not sure that the warp stays if you re-equip sword, and even if it does it would not be faster to warp anyway, the cutscene is a decent amount of time.

Come on already Tom  ???

It could work with Toms restricted item warp route thing, but...yeah probably not.
Why does it take so long to record or tell a time saver..hmm..we might be missing something here..how bout we try to find it ourself, we might find other tricks too :)

I think I heard one that it wasn't possible to megaflip onto the hand platform, but it is possible to flip onto a seam on the desert colossus and could walk up it to the chest. This could be false, but I definitely remember something of the sort.

Its possible to walk on the seam but you forgot the most important part, hookshotting to the chest.

Tom is not working on a time saver. That is all I will say. It's a surprise after all ^_^

Guys PLEASE try to keep this thread to "MST Route Discussion". This isn't twitter and we dont need constant updates on every thought you have and move you do. There is a question and answer thread if you need it.

Anyways, it seems as if it is impossible to wrong warp without crashing in this version if you dont warp to a cutscene.

So I propose this:

Any% route up to magic
Place farores wind at Links house->Kokiri
Complete deku tree
Wrong warp from deku to sarias song cutscene (second time viewing, but much shorter than emerald cutscene)
Return to warp point
Place farores at Kokiri ->Lost woods
Complete second half of dc
Wrong warp to silver gauntlets cutscene, get gaunts and requiem
Return to warp point, replace warp
Equip sword, navi dive to zoras river
TSC past king zora
Jabu
Get the real farores wind
Return to warp point, make way to zelda escape cutscene
Master Sword

Thoughts?

Sorry GS..that route looks awesome, cant wait to try it. And no save KZ escaping too. Wow. For what are we gonna use real FW? RI warping...fuuuuu.

Pedalpowertoast wrote

For what are we gonna use real FW? RI warping...fuuuuu.

Not necessarily, just having farores would save time in basically all the adult dungeons, assuming you have the magic for it. And overworld travelling too.