MST Route Discussion

Sounds like a plan. I'll edit the route accordingly.

We also need to start thinking about where we can save time in temples with FW. It's onviously faster than savewarping, but we can't replace savewarping with FW completely, we'll run out of magic. Basically just try to think where we backtrack in temples, i.e. maybe after we lower the water in water temple, we go through the door at the very top, go back out again, set FW and when we need to lower the water a second time we don't have to spell dive.

I like the water temple idea Taylor. We just can't run out of magic spell diving. I think we should also put a warp in the torch room in the forest temple after we get the second small key,  and we can warp back after getting the bow. If we do this all correctly,  we should have magic for fire temple because of the pots with magic before dark link so let's put a save warp in the first room of the fire temple and warp after getting the bk. So many new possibility O_o

The RI WW is at a difficulty where its understandable if you don't get it, and it isn't expected that you get all of them. That was the whole idea behind the route I proposed. Gamestabled if the WWs work, which if robdog said they would then they should, lets go with that route up to MS.

Just tested it, the warps and the the rest of the of the route work, but something that should be noted is that when you wrong warp out of deku and into sarias song cutscene, it plays twice: once where saria is sitting further back on the stump, once normally.

mirrior shield early does work megaflipping from silver gauntlet chest you will land on the seam and not fall all the way down then you walk up the

seam tilting the control stick up/right a bit then roll right before you reach the wall at the top but not to soon or to late then you should hop on

the ledge.

up/left in master quest

LttpMmOot wrote

mirrior shield early does work megaflipping from silver gauntlet chest you will land on the seam and not fall all the way down then you walk up the
seam tilting the control stick up/right a bit then roll right before you reach the wall at the top but not to soon or to late then you should hop on
the ledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfphpMyeC48 shockingly true.
This is dandy, might as well grab mirror shield as child too. Skip an iron knuckle.

Tom, the more I think about that deku->dc warp the less likely it seems. And because of all the time it takes just to set it up I wonder if it even saves time. I dont really think its going to happen  :(

Lets at least pick up FW when near Jabu so we can WW as adult

We are Tom, that's in the route.

Welp, new World Record again. 3:48:23.

I'll be honest, the child section of this run is the hardest, and I mixed up the route and had to backtrack some places as child. I uses FW once in Water to get back to where you lower the water, and once in Fire to be able to do a hookshot clip to grab an early key and then FW back to the same room. The adult portion of this was pretty solid, except for some choking on a few of the trials. I got Water early first try (what the fuck, right?) and hit both wrong warps.

Like every other run I've done, it can be improved by alot. I'm seeing sub 3:30 in the not so distant future.

Ooh nice Taylor. Hopefully I'll get one in tonight, but we all know how well that went yesterday. Child portion is definitely the hardest part in my opinion. I'm certainly getting better at child even though I've only attempted one wrong warp and failed. It doesn't really look all that hard though. Does anyone know how many frames the window is to pull off the wrong warp by any chance?

benstephens1000 wrote

Does anyone know how many frames the window is to pull off the wrong warp by any chance?

No, but in DC and Deku its a gigantic window. You probably have at least a whole second.

Ran tonight. I got a better time but I'm still pissed. 4:09:49. It was sloppy. It was frustrating. It had some of the downright worst mistakes I have ever made even in practice! I lost 15 minutes in the water temple. Maybe more. Somehow I screwed up Farores wind. After the wrong warps, which I succeeded, I wasn't able to use it even when I got the real farores wind. anyone know why this could have happened? I wan to have another run tomorrow. I want at least sub 4:00. Just a quick thought: is there anyway to wrong warp to any of the song cutscenes i.e. Nocturne or bolero?

benstephens1000 wrote

Ran tonight. I got a better time but I'm still pissed. 4:09:49. It was sloppy. It was frustrating. It had some of the downright worst mistakes I have ever made even in practice! I lost 15 minutes in the water temple. Maybe more. Somehow I screwed up Farores wind. After the wrong warps, which I succeeded, I wasn't able to use it even when I got the real farores wind. anyone know why this could have happened? I wan to have another run tomorrow. I want at least sub 4:00. Just a quick thought: is there anyway to wrong warp to any of the song cutscenes i.e. Nocturne or bolero?

wait how do you spend 15 mins in water temple all you need is two keys then get boss key then to boss door like 4 mins max :P

wait nevermind you probably don't shadow early lol even so you can still get three keys before going to dark link with water lowered once then

all you have to do is higher the water head to dark link kill him get key in vortex room save warp to entrance lower the water one more time

then get boss key save warp damage boost higher one last time longshot to boss door something like that not even sure how much keys it is to

get to dark link one or two if only one then only need three keys for temple those all can be got with lowering the water once then get boss key

savewarp damage boost to higher water kill dark link get longshot and head to boss dont need hover boots or longshot to get boss key just a

bomb and hookshot hookshot clip out of bounds swim over to key door that leads to boss key l target and back up you wont fall and mash x/y

button to drop a bomb above you and it will boost you on the platform and you can open the door.

woah woah woah! Hold the phone? what's this about the boss key? I haven't done any of this hookshot clip bomb boost stuff! Fill me in!

Also does anyone think this could work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytrjxrYIec
I'll test later. Now time for sleep

benstephens1000 wrote

woah woah woah! Hold the phone? what's this about the boss key? I haven't done any of this hookshot clip bomb boost stuff! Fill me in!

Also does anyone think this could work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytrjxrYIec
I'll test later. Now time for sleep

yes that works block room is unneeded other the that everything on first page is fine, temple can be done with 2 keys if you have hover boots

4 keys if not 2 keys to reach dark link from central room i think.

if it was only 1 key to reach dark link from central room then water temple route would be different by alot.

Well if that shortcut that I linked works then water temple will only take 3 keys without hover boots or iron boots. I think that would save a ton of time if masteredIt certainly would have helped me a lot last night.

Is there a way to get from the part of the water temple where you come in (3rd floor South area) to the central area of the top floor without megaflipping? I'm sure there is and it's completely obvious, but I always megaflip because I can't find any other way to get there. Jumping just doesn't work and there aren't any hookshot points that will keep you on the 3rd floor.

Does anyone know what happens if you say no to Saria during the 2 wrong warp cutscenes? I'm guessing not much, but I was going to try it out in my run just to check, and I seem to have forgotten to.

I have an idea regarding wrong warps. I haven't tested it yet, but it probably won't work. If it does work... well let's just say it could be quite spectacular. More info to come later today once I've done some testing.

Ben, ill try it out unless you already did.

I'm going to try it out later today, so you don't have to although you may if you like. If it works it could change the whole route. I already have some pretty nifty ideas...

Yea im gonna try it out. Could you tell me some of those nifty ideas?

I will share my ideas if the WW works.

Ben, what was that warp again? I did saria->kokiri. Not sure if too early or late...it crashed *sigh* we need to test another one >:(

Well that's unfortunate. Deep in my mind I was expecting a crash... I just feel that watching the Saria cut scene three times wastes time. I just wish there was something more productive we could do. I'm gonna give it a test just to be sure, but in the meantime I'll keep looking for alternatives. Sigh...

It may not feel like it's faster, but the creation cutscene, on console, is 4:50, and Saria's song twice is 3:40 on console.

What warp are you tlaking about pedalpower? saria-->kokiri? what does that even mean? The warps are links treehouse-->kokiri for deku and kokiri-->lost woods for DC.

Always look at the route for up to date strats, Ben. Hope you can get a good run in today.

Ben had an idea of using saria->kokiri to get to nocturne cutscene early in one of his posts, but he edited it out for some reason (probably to get credit to himself) I saw it and tried it out. Im pretty sure I got it right but it crashed :( Then again some of the warps are changed...does r0bd0g or something like that have an alternative and how does he know what happens with the warp or is it just luck?

That is puzzling... I'll ask r0bd0g about it, but for now try out the kakiriko-->hyrule field warp which supposedly warps to nocturne as well.

Ok, thanks. In DC or Deku?

They both work.

Ill try deku first then DC. Just got bracelet.

I was also going to try the kakiriko -> field warp... If none of the Nocturne warps work,  I've thought of some alternate warps. Still need to fine tune those ideas and test them as well before I say anything for sure.

benstephens1000 wrote

Also does anyone think this could work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytrjxrYIec

Pretty sure I mentioned this way back when we first talked about the water temple, if I didnt I knew about it at least :P

Also warping to the nocturne cutscene is pointless, you dont get the song. Dont even bother trying.
Wrong warping to cutscenes where you get an item never gives you the item, with two exceptions. One being Sarias song (useless), the other I cant remember but it was also useless iirc. WHEEEEEW NOCTURNE EARLY!!!!

Im confident that watching sarias an extra two times is faster than emerald once, taylortot's timings line up with that.