OoT / MQ - Question & Answer / Trick Help Thread

Hello everyone.

Recently I have been practicing Ocarina of Time Any% runs, and I'm having a strange problem with Void Warp. I run down the tower and I get the setup off of Zelda and I clip through the wall. After I clip and hit the loading zone I hold right on the joystick. When I respawn in the void, Link is not facing the proper direction. I have watched a lot of videos on void warp and they all are facing 90 degrees from the inbounds/stairs and the stairs are on the right hand side of Link, so when they hold right, the stairs are right in front of them, and then they jumpslash and hold forward. This does not happen for me. I hold right and nothing changes. Links back is facing the stairs and at this point I'm pretty much facing 180 degrees from the stairs and I cannot jumpslash inbounds from this position. I don't know why this is happening, does this happen to other runners? I have gotten it only once where Link is actually facing the proper direction, I thought I solved my problem, but nope. If someone could please give me some advice it would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I'm using a classic controller on VC.

Link only appears in the right position if you do the wrong warp after the Ganondorf death cutscene. If you die to keep practicing or whatever you'll be in the wrong position. There might be some other things going on though; a video would help :)

Jbop wrote

Link only appears in the right position if you do the wrong warp after the Ganondorf death cutscene. If you die to keep practicing or whatever you'll be in the wrong position. There might be some other things going on though; a video would help :)

Oh my gosh, thank you sooo much. That makes so much sense. I have been practicing it, and I would get game overs before clipping for the first time. Thanks again!

If someone want to have a great tutorial for the Void warp, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvvAGrKkoM NOTE: before try it on VC or any other console (My opinion is that VC have the best controllers, i talk about classic controller and GCN controller) you should practice it on PJ 64 1.7 with a gamecube controller adapter.

Hello all,

Recentl I've been run ing all dungeons.first I practiced the route on emulator 1.0 and I had no problem with deku  ww to bongo room. On VC I beat forest temple play minuet grab mushroom head to deku. I kill ghoma dupe over odd mushroom and do the JP setup. Z and right to the wall targetwhere you'd usuall do ghoma clip and z+r+b (vertical slash x2) crouchstab sidehop left jumpslash c up until timer runs and release everything until the timer runs.


Problem is I keep getting warped back toghomas room.


If anyone has any idea what I am now doing wrong that would be great. 1080 hasn't been giving me much trouble but deku to bongo keeps failing on VC,.

If anyon has any suggestions id appreciate it.

Edit: well I got home from work at it the wrong warp was successful first try. Still not sure what I did differently

Hi all,

I'm attempting the swordless Mido skip using the 3 x side jump, backflip, 2 side jumps ect ect setup.

I watched a video where it was stated that the "sweet spot" for clipping on PJ64 is very fine due to the sensitivity of the controller or some such. How many people are able to do this trick on PJ64?

I think i am doing the setup correctly, judging from a comparison between a tutorial and my attempts at the moment just before pausing for the shield equip .After doing my setup and pausing i have tried save slotting and rotating the joystick slightly after each failed attempt... even then i am yet to clip through even once.

Does any one have any suggestions, i have spent a lot of time on YT searching for tutorials on this but nothing has yet solved my issue.

Is the holding up and right for the clip a full hold or subtle like when doing a WESS?

Many thanks! 

As far as I know, the mido skip setup wont work on VC because of the diagonals or something (you get a different angle on gamecube than classic, and neither work). You need to hold up-right fully as you do the first jumpslash. However, the angle works fine on PJ64, even with a gamecube controller (that's what i use for emu).

Make sure you wait for about half a second or so for the camera to move before doing the last sidehop. If you do it too fast the angle becomes inconsistent and it doesn't work. Keep holding up-right until you exit the waterbox, and on the right frame, jumpslash and hold Z and left all at about the same time. If you don't have the sword, you have to press the stick button twice to jumpslash I think, so it's a little harder.

Hi everyone,

I have a bit of troubles perfomind the dot skip, but just the clipping part for the moment. Most of the time it looks like I'm gonna clip through but then I just come back in bounds on the wrong side of the door of time

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I've been trying a lot of times but Ive only clipped through a few times and performed it completly once :s
When I look at videos on the internet, it even looks like it's hard fr them not make it

I tried different angles for my joystick during the roll and during the sidehop but I still can't do it consistently

Also I have a few questions: first, is the backflip before the roll and the sidehop necessary ? I don't really see what it's used for
Do you have to hold left after the sidehop ? I thought that was my problem but it didn't change anything...
And finally is it better to change the deadzone/range if playing on emulator ? I also have the game on my wii but it's in french so it's PAL so I uselly run this game on emulator (but I also tried this glitch on my vc and I don't manage to get it more successfully)

Thank you :)

Hold slightly down-left (more down than left) for the roll, and straight down-left for the sidehop. If you still don't clip, then your angle is wrong. I highly recommend this setup to get the angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fO5kh2Jnpw It's fast, usually consistent, and it works for swordless too. After you clip, holding left is important to make sure the jumpslash makes it inside the door. Backflipping before the roll is just to make sure you're in the corner I think.

nathanisbored wrote

Backflipping before the roll is just to make sure you're in the corner I think.

That, and it also makes the roll less precise to clip in so you have a better chance to get it iirc

nathanisbored wrote

As far as I know, the mido skip setup wont work on VC because of the diagonals or something (you get a different angle on gamecube than classic, and neither work). You need to hold up-right fully as you do the first jumpslash. However, the angle works fine on PJ64, even with a gamecube controller (that's what i use for emu).

Make sure you wait for about half a second or so for the camera to move before doing the last sidehop. If you do it too fast the angle becomes inconsistent and it doesn't work. Keep holding up-right until you exit the waterbox, and on the right frame, jumpslash and hold Z and left all at about the same time. If you don't have the sword, you have to press the stick button twice to jumpslash I think, so it's a little harder.

Many thanks for this. Although it was not the problem i really appreciate the attempted assistance. Also letting me know PJ64 was ok spurred me on to keep trying. What i was actually doing...was being a Muppet. I had assumed after you unpause you should be holding Z for some reason. Once i stopped doing this it worked.

Ok well after hundreds of tries, I can finally get it in a decent time, like once every 5-6 tries
Thanks for your help ;)

Benzouz wrote

Hi everyone,

I have a bit of troubles perfomind the dot skip, but just the clipping part for the moment. Most of the time it looks like I'm gonna clip through but then I just come back in bounds on the wrong side of the door of time

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I've been trying a lot of times but Ive only clipped through a few times and performed it completly once :s
When I look at videos on the internet, it even looks like it's hard fr them not make it

I tried different angles for my joystick during the roll and during the sidehop but I still can't do it consistently

Also I have a few questions: first, is the backflip before the roll and the sidehop necessary ? I don't really see what it's used for
Do you have to hold left after the sidehop ? I thought that was my problem but it didn't change anything...
And finally is it better to change the deadzone/range if playing on emulator ? I also have the game on my wii but it's in french so it's PAL so I uselly run this game on emulator (but I also tried this glitch on my vc and I don't manage to get it more successfully)

Thank you :)

If you're getting the clip but then getting pushed back out when you try to jumpslash, the problem could be that you're not holding left enough after the sidehop. You want to be holding down+left for the sidehop, but as soon as you do, you want to change the direction to more left. I believe this helps you get just a little bit farther through the door so that when you jumpslash you will end up on the other side. Hope this helps.

Me again :(

Current Mido skip issue: Clip into bounds with mido stuck circling round me.

Is this caused by getting the release of Z on the wrong frame or have i got something else in the skip wrong.

Cheers!!

Beelzedan wrote

Me again :(

Current Mido skip issue: Clip into bounds with mido stuck circling round me.

Is this caused by getting the release of Z on the wrong frame or have i got something else in the skip wrong.

Cheers!!

It could be caused by a number of things. Assuming you did everything right up to that point, it just means you released Z one frame too late. There is a 2-frame window to release Z and still make it past Mido. If you are one frame later, you end up in his circle.

It could also mean your angle is wrong, but assuming you held up-right as you did the first jumpslash, and waited before the last sidehop, you should be okay. Just because you clip doesn't mean the angle will be right for the setup in the water.

nathanisbored wrote

It could be caused by a number of things. Assuming you did everything right up to that point, it just means you released Z one frame too late. There is a 2-frame window to release Z and still make it past Mido. If you are one frame later, you end up in his circle.

It could also mean your angle is wrong, but assuming you held up-right as you did the first jumpslash, and waited before the last sidehop, you should be okay. Just because you clip doesn't mean the angle will be right for the setup in the water.

Yeah i thought this was the case but just wondered if it was a case of "caught in circle" = you have definitely done part X wrong.

Currently i can fall into the void just before it looks like i'm gonna clip through or get caught in his circle. So either there is some frames i am missing in the middle every time i try and let go of Z or i have my angle slightly wrong.

I think at this stage everything up until the water is definitely fine. On occasion i am jump slashing too early/too late but i think i can recognise when it's right. Because i'm using a XBox pad it's difficult to tell when you're holding exactly left but i'm fairly certain that's right. So i am either hitting left and z at the wrong frame or letting go of  at the wrong frame......

The quest continues!!

(I'm sure i'll get this just as someone finds a better setup  :P )

Further to my last post here is a vid of a failed attempt.

I'm sure this one failed due to releasing Z early but if anyone can spot anything else that would be great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgi-rRM71g

Beelzedan wrote

Further to my last post here is a vid of a failed attempt.

I'm sure this one failed due to releasing Z early but if anyone can spot anything else that would be great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYgi-rRM71g

you did the second jumpslash one frame too late.

nathanisbored wrote

you did the second jumpslash one frame too late.

Thank You :) Hopefully i will get somewhere with this in mind :)

Hello hello,

I have a couple of questiongs regarding ganonless. I've always enjoyed occasionally doing this category for fun and mainly used to do it t on emulator so I always used the 1.0 route and have done the old  fishing rod bottle on b method back when I only played English, but anyways having a couple of issues.

I currently play JP VC and have two problems.

1. After I get stick on b at ingo when I try and swipe the bugs ( like duping over odd mush in AD or any item) sometimes when I equip ms when link is about to scoop the bugs a lot of the time o do this I just get ms back on b.. Is there only one frame that makes this work for bottle on b?

2. Another inconsistency I have is not getting FW on b after LACS. I rba nuts on c down get the count down to 13 have bombs on c left and fish on c right with bottle on b. Last night I ended up with stick on b.

The only thing I can think of that I messed up with s at one point I dropped bugs with empty bottle on c right which ended up giving me a bottle on the third slot.

I'm not a huge fan of no ww but ganonless makes it interesting but I'm not able to do runs right now because I'm not sure what I'm messing up.

Sorry for the long post any help would be great, thanks a lot

1) make sure you pause late enough during the swap. however this method of getting bottle B may be obsolete now with the new bottle dupe method.

2) the game uses child c-right for BA, so make sure you put the bottle youre going to use with the fish on child c-right before you obtain MS.

Cosmo wrote

1) make sure you pause late enough during the swap. however this method of getting bottle B may be obsolete now with the new bottle dupe method.

2) the game uses child c-right for BA, so make sure you put the bottle youre going to use with the fish on child c-right before you obtain MS.

Awesome, thanks a lot man I really appreciate the help!

Skater found this new B1 skip, i was wondering, is this B1 skip faster than the ISG one?

link to new b1 skip?

If your doing 100% yes, but that requires an angle from the slingshot room if I'm not mistaken.

I wanted to buy a japanese 1.0 cart, but how would I know if it's a 1.0 cart if I'm buying online.. Are there any differences in the appearance cart itself other than the back?

Yes, more infos here: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/generalknowledge/version-differences

Zargaroc wrote

Yes, more infos here: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/generalknowledge/version-differences

I looked at that page. That only shows for the english cart it looks like. The japanese carts have different cover art, so I'm not sure how to tell for those.

i don't think there is differences between the art on 1.0 and the other Japanese versions, but, all the things that they changes on 1.0 have been changed on every versions (PAL, JP, etc)