MM: Trick Research & Discovery Thread

I'm bookmarking this 1st post for cataloguing purposes as well as introducing and creating the topic. This thread is for posting ideas for new tricks, or potential areas of study in developing new tricks. This also includes such things as assessing possible areas where if a trick was found, time could be saved. Thus, new route development, and alternate tricks/strategies are also a fundamental part of the thread's purpose. All zelda scientists welcome! Educated trick questions, explanations, and route queries are also welcome.

Shamelessly stolen from Acryte's thread.

Could this be used in the 100% speedrun?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Av7Lg04jN8

ooooh sick. I likes.

That's some awesome shit right there cos. You have mastered the isg!

Cosmo wrote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6-sxeo2Rg

ISG epicness.

I found a new shortcut in the Woodfall Temple, now you don't have to use ANY bombs in the Woodfall Temple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyusrXRlpo
I haven't seen this on the recent speedruns.

I knew about that for like... ever. I just thought that it was faster to hover across considering it was obvious and nobody else did it.

But I'm not sure... maybe it is faster and nobody else knew about it...

Yeah it's been known for a while. The any% routes don't have the hookshot at that point so we can't use it.

Tbh it's not even really a trick. It's a torch so you can hookshot it. That's pretty much a given. Since it's so ovious nobody talkes about it, that doesn't mean it's not known.

Yeah, it's pretty much useless, i removed the video now.  :(

But don't be discouraged. There are still a lot of glitches out there that still want to be found! ^^

I have this idea with my new stone tower boss key shortcut. Basically if someone could try to find a way to get oob with isg on and do it with a megaflip or megasidehop, maybe you can hover to the boss room's loading zone. I've tried to get oob with isg on but I don't think it's possible. Be great if others could try.

Unreal wrote

I have this idea with my new stone tower boss key shortcut. Basically if someone could try to find a way to get oob with isg on and do it with a megaflip or megasidehop, maybe you can hover to the boss room's loading zone. I've tried to get oob with isg on but I don't think it's possible. Be great if others could try.

Yeah I was trying this. I used the exact same positioning and angle with a megaflip that went oob and one with ISG on. When I had ISG on I didn't go OOB.

But this is okay.

With a bit of help from Grunz I've got a strategy that makes the STT BK much much easier. I'm getting it like 90% now.

are you allowed to post glitches that don't save time in this thread?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=axNiST6h910 (I explain how to do it in the description)

In case you didn't know it or miss this vid:

Stop time whenever you want in MM :    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyCqwHRzHcA&feature=related

GlitchesandStuff figured out how to forward backflip against walls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XPUqqmjix0.

This obsoletes the Ground Jump.

New forwards backflip use. Useful in 100%?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry6OJhqA4Ec

I think if that little bench was against the wall we'd be able to do it with YL (albeit he'd have to go around).

Here's a new way to invert stone tower, It can be done with two explosives if you angle change on the megahover chu.

didn't grunz do that exact thing about a month ago?

Got an idea.

Would it be possible to make the ocarina B glitch in first cycle? Maybe in deku scrubs game. Or we'll need to find another timer somewhere.

too bad deku link can't play H&D on any day, that'd work. But I don't see how it'd be useful, you wouldn't have any songs.

Actually, it'd just give Deku Link deku nuts on B. That's what happens when turning into deku link after doing it epona method

Jiano wrote

Cross the Stone Tower Gap with 1 Bomb.

That ocarina trick looks like it could be useful in alot of places, has anyone tested to see if this could be used to skip past cutscenes or other sequences?

Jiano found another trick to stop cutscenes completely. Don't know why he didn't post it here. but I can't see it being usefull. All the cutscenes we go through in a run are needed to advance the game, so there is no point in stopping them.

What about for other stuff like switches outside of stone tower? Maybe it can be used to keep switches in place or something...

Yeah I forgot to post my updated Stone Tower trick. You just use the stop time glitch(I hate this name) to cross. Also I didn't find the trick, I think ZAR found it.

actually I'm pretty sure it was MajoraMiM

I just notice that it stops time. The glitch was found by a guy of zelda secret ocarina that told it to ZAR.

Trick that I think should be discovered: Break the Pirate hive w/o bow and w/o bubble

Reason: Being able to skip break the hive and skip the cutscene w/o bow would save ~5 explosives (would problably take a bit more than that, but would still save time overall), two SoS, and backtracking through the Woodfall temple during a second visit (minute to minute and a half saved). You'ld lose a bit of time doing whatever new trick is discovered (though if you fall into the void after knocking the hive you might be able to skip the pirate fleeing cutscene), and fighting Gyorg. Also would help five pause route >_> <_<

Angle of Attack: Find an OoB in the upper part of the hive room (with the cage). Hover over to the hive and backflip into it with ISG, hopefully knocking it down. If that doesn't knock it down, being able to land anywhere in the lower room and deku the hive would probably work too. Basically, we just need to get out of bounds with either hovering or a superslide in the upper room. I suggest going there on a completed file first and just trying to find an oob, then worry about getting over the cutscene trigger to the oob if need be. If we're lucky, we can find one on the close side of the trigger. Basically, even if it takes 30 seconds and 10 explosives to do this trick, it might still save time.