Well, even if bean route is faster it's still not worth it because of the megaflip bridge skip non-isg (which isn't worth it in ANY console run). So hookshot route is still the way to go.
Ocarina of Time
Any% segmented run (goal of sub-1 hour)
Started by Runnerguy2489 · 01 Sep 2009 · 113 replies
SHUT UP ING
BEANS
*runs and hides*
*runs and hides*
SHUT UP ING
Alright bros, in order of importance here:
1) Can the gerudo bridge megaflip be done in a run? Ing is the only one who says he's done it on a console. Even if it needs pause buffered, this is #1 imo because everything else in this post relies on this being done to skip the hookshot. If it can't be done then I continue with the current route.
2) Is the tektike hover at all feasible in a run? Didn't Pokey say he did this at least one time? Even if this is hellishly hard, if some kind of method could be done (even like 1% of the time it works) then it's worth it. If it takes 5 or 10 or 50 hours it's worth it. The segment is so easy otherwise and it doesn't even matter how long it takes since you have to wait for dawn in the next segment anyway.
If that's possible, then great. Route is decided easily. Don't get chus, skip hookshot, do this trick.
If it's not possible, then:
3) Is the botw chu route faster? Lots of testing needs to be done here...odd mush as child or not, etc. Additionally, can a console runner even get to the market before dark. I think it's possible but haven't tested it yet so that plays a factor as well.
I'm still working on my computer issues but I should be pretty much back to normal by next week. I'll then go through some tests and stuff but these are the big questions right now.
Keep in mind I may have to restart anyway because my recording method is now going to change with a different computer and different capture card. It would be odd to have 6 segments look one way and then rest look another way. So I don't even know what's gonna happen with that if I do continue with the current route.
1) Can the gerudo bridge megaflip be done in a run? Ing is the only one who says he's done it on a console. Even if it needs pause buffered, this is #1 imo because everything else in this post relies on this being done to skip the hookshot. If it can't be done then I continue with the current route.
2) Is the tektike hover at all feasible in a run? Didn't Pokey say he did this at least one time? Even if this is hellishly hard, if some kind of method could be done (even like 1% of the time it works) then it's worth it. If it takes 5 or 10 or 50 hours it's worth it. The segment is so easy otherwise and it doesn't even matter how long it takes since you have to wait for dawn in the next segment anyway.
If that's possible, then great. Route is decided easily. Don't get chus, skip hookshot, do this trick.
If it's not possible, then:
3) Is the botw chu route faster? Lots of testing needs to be done here...odd mush as child or not, etc. Additionally, can a console runner even get to the market before dark. I think it's possible but haven't tested it yet so that plays a factor as well.
I'm still working on my computer issues but I should be pretty much back to normal by next week. I'll then go through some tests and stuff but these are the big questions right now.
Keep in mind I may have to restart anyway because my recording method is now going to change with a different computer and different capture card. It would be odd to have 6 segments look one way and then rest look another way. So I don't even know what's gonna happen with that if I do continue with the current route.
timesaver??:
don't buy arrows.
when you get light arrows, bottle dupe them
right past the boss door in ganon's castle, break the pot with arrows.
if you get lucky, a stalfos might drop arrows so you don't even need to break the pot.
not sure if this beats walking into the store and buying the arrow.
don't buy arrows.
when you get light arrows, bottle dupe them
right past the boss door in ganon's castle, break the pot with arrows.
if you get lucky, a stalfos might drop arrows so you don't even need to break the pot.
not sure if this beats walking into the store and buying the arrow.
Last edited 09 Apr 2010, 04:07 by Cosmo.
All this mess makes me want to start a segmented RBA run so much. I am aching to do a segmented OoT speedrun. At this rate it's going to take a year before Runnerguy is done. And since the route seems it may be changing anyway, I see no harm in doing my own segmented run for SDA until Runnerguy completes his.
I'm a bit torn on what to do here. I guess I have the right to do my own run, but I don't want to feel like I'm dissing runnerguy or taking away from his work and dedication in this category. He is the best speedrunner I know but his progress is quite slow and I enjoy the RBA route just as much as he does. I wouldn't mind if my run only stayed up for a few months even, I just don't want people to think that 2:26 is the fastest the game can be done on console for a whole other year. This run would take me no more than a few months I would think (a segment a week is the plan hopefully).
If you have a single bit of dislike with this idea I won't even mention it again Runnerguy, I would like for it to be fully OK with you in every way. Otherwise I would feel wrong about it. I'd prefer to do any%, but if not I could work on MST seg although it's such a long run and I am notoriously impatient.
You're run is truly going to be an amazing landmark for OoT any% for a long time, but I'd like to give it a shot as well and show what I can do as a personal best. Yep.
Bottom line: I want to do a segmented any% run of my own, but not if it's going to discourage your efforts at all. I want you to finish your speedrun, however long it takes you.
I'm a bit torn on what to do here. I guess I have the right to do my own run, but I don't want to feel like I'm dissing runnerguy or taking away from his work and dedication in this category. He is the best speedrunner I know but his progress is quite slow and I enjoy the RBA route just as much as he does. I wouldn't mind if my run only stayed up for a few months even, I just don't want people to think that 2:26 is the fastest the game can be done on console for a whole other year. This run would take me no more than a few months I would think (a segment a week is the plan hopefully).
If you have a single bit of dislike with this idea I won't even mention it again Runnerguy, I would like for it to be fully OK with you in every way. Otherwise I would feel wrong about it. I'd prefer to do any%, but if not I could work on MST seg although it's such a long run and I am notoriously impatient.
You're run is truly going to be an amazing landmark for OoT any% for a long time, but I'd like to give it a shot as well and show what I can do as a personal best. Yep.
Bottom line: I want to do a segmented any% run of my own, but not if it's going to discourage your efforts at all. I want you to finish your speedrun, however long it takes you.
Last edited 09 Apr 2010, 04:17 by aleckermit.
you should jump on the single-segment bandwagon
well, only if you like mushrooms and superslide teleports :P
well, only if you like mushrooms and superslide teleports :P
you should jump on the single-segment bandwagon
well, only if you like mushrooms and superslide teleports :P
I'm not that great at single segment. I think my RTA efforts show that :P. Segmented is my forte'.
Alec don't feel bad about giving someone competition. Do whatever run you want to do.
Yeah man, definitely go for it. Competition is good, it makes all runs better. It's actually been depressing that no one else has really tried this category since Kazooie did 5 segments way back when.
1) Can the gerudo bridge megaflip be done in a run?
I might try later.
2) Is the tektike hover at all feasible in a run? Didn't Pokey say he did this at least one time?
Yeah I have done it once.
3) Is the botw chu route faster? Lots of testing needs to be done here...odd mush as child or not, etc. Additionally, can a console runner even get to the market before dark. I think it's possible but haven't tested it yet so that plays a factor as well.
Definitely not possible, I tried it and didn't even make it to the little bridge before night happened. Maybe if you peahat slide -> ess owl skip but I highly doubt it.
Sweet. Definitely gonna start a Segmented Any% run as soon as I get the "OK" from SDA on my capture/submission methods.
Sorry Runnerguy I think I am gonna start this as a side project. Don't worry it won't be good and I won't submit to SDA unless I somehow get like 58 minutes which is unlikely. I am doing this for RingRush's challenge so I am not trying to take the run over.
I guess segment 2 would look like segment 2 from the MST seg't. 21 rupees and sword.
In segment 2 where would I get 19 rupees???
Is there a route with botw chus and hookshot skip yet?
I guess segment 2 would look like segment 2 from the MST seg't. 21 rupees and sword.
In segment 2 where would I get 19 rupees???
Is there a route with botw chus and hookshot skip yet?
I would still like to see the gerudo bridge megaflip done on a console since it has yet to be done yet and the entire route depends on it.
Segment 3 would get these 19:
-2 from grass
-5 behind house
-2 from grass
-5 from stones
-5 from shop
The route is basically then do bridge clip, get to kakariko, collect cuccos, botw chus, dot skip (with segments where appropriate)
Adult is the same but get egg and savewarp, then chu sideflips to pond to steal rod. Then it's the same, just mix the chus in (I think one less bomb drop is possible but can't remember). After getting mush though you'll come back through hyrule though to avoid the hookshot stuff in gc.
Segment 3 would get these 19:
-2 from grass
-5 behind house
-2 from grass
-5 from stones
-5 from shop
The route is basically then do bridge clip, get to kakariko, collect cuccos, botw chus, dot skip (with segments where appropriate)
Adult is the same but get egg and savewarp, then chu sideflips to pond to steal rod. Then it's the same, just mix the chus in (I think one less bomb drop is possible but can't remember). After getting mush though you'll come back through hyrule though to avoid the hookshot stuff in gc.
I have a question about this route.
You end segment 7 with a Bottle of bugs on B. In segment 8 you say to do Quick B bottle. When I saved with bugs on b and loaded the file it reverted the B button to the master sword. So how do you stop it from doing that?
You end segment 7 with a Bottle of bugs on B. In segment 8 you say to do Quick B bottle. When I saved with bugs on b and loaded the file it reverted the B button to the master sword. So how do you stop it from doing that?
Play on version 1.0 and you'll have sticks on B instead of sword.
Tektite hover/megaflip to the pond on console:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leuJdhyYQww
*Nudges Runnerguy*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leuJdhyYQww
*Nudges Runnerguy*
Ugh. So that saves at least 2 minutes in a run with only 30 or so minutes of gameplay. Needs to be done.
Route is basically the same but no botw so don't split that segment, get bottle and go adult. I will need rupees to buy a shield somehow though. Where should I get up to 80? I can go back to getting 20 with sword...there's 20 in the grotto if I use that for cucco collecting, and then 40 from chains. But then I'm short 20 for the pond. So 20 from the one pot in poe hunter room. I will split 4 and 5 (4 will just get pocket egg) since I can't HESS to pond. Then 5 is pond segment which I will probaby take like 3 or 4 attempts on steal rod if necessary lol. Then it's normal again and back to getting a shit ton of bombs.
Route is basically the same but no botw so don't split that segment, get bottle and go adult. I will need rupees to buy a shield somehow though. Where should I get up to 80? I can go back to getting 20 with sword...there's 20 in the grotto if I use that for cucco collecting, and then 40 from chains. But then I'm short 20 for the pond. So 20 from the one pot in poe hunter room. I will split 4 and 5 (4 will just get pocket egg) since I can't HESS to pond. Then 5 is pond segment which I will probaby take like 3 or 4 attempts on steal rod if necessary lol. Then it's normal again and back to getting a shit ton of bombs.
Sorry man :(
anything to get well under the sub lol.
RG is a trooper :)