OoT3D: Trick Research and Discovery Thread

Deku sticks on B is possible, after stealing the rod. I went to the fisherman again, talked to him (for nothing) and left the place. Then I got a deku stick out but Link is holding a Hylian Shield as the graphic for holding the Deku stick.

Edit:
-Wasted all of my deku sticks on B to 0
- Caught Bugs with empty bottle on X
- Backflip with Bugs on X followed by B

Bottle on B Works

Greenalink wrote

Deku sticks on B is possible, after stealing the rod. I went to the fisherman again, talked to him (for nothing) and left the place. Then I got a deku stick out but Link is holding a Hylian Shield as the graphic for holding the Deku stick.

Edit:
-Wasted all of my deku sticks on B to 0
- Caught Bugs with empty bottle on X
- Backflip with Bugs on X followed by B

Bottle on B Works

You were late! Join the chat insted to stay updated =)
We are already messing around with it.
By the way, you do not even have to talk with the fisher man.
You steal the rod, jump into the water, enter fishing pond, exit it again, and you have dekustick on b.

I am gonna upload a video of bottle on B soon, I have already recorded it.

I am a bit slow then  :-[

But one problem with the any item method is that it only works when you replace it with a workable item such as the Hover/Iron boots.

I did some messing around with Farore's Wind during the escape section of Ganon's Castle and after using it, you warp back to the very top floor of the castle with full hearts and magic and 3 minutes remaining.
Pretty good for performing escape speed runs similar to Metroid Prime 1 escape run.

Greenalink wrote

I am a bit slow then  :-[

But one problem with the any item method is that it only works when you replace it with a workable item such as the Hover/Iron boots.

I did some messing around with Farore's Wind during the escape section of Ganon's Castle and after using it, you warp back to the very top floor of the castle with full hearts and magic and 3 minutes remaining.
Pretty good for performing escape speed runs similar to Metroid Prime 1 escape run.

It is not really a problem. Getting Iron boots takes no time at all :)
I am soon done uploading my Bottle B video.

Apparently you can get multiple heart pieces from dampes grave digging tour http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997842-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/59516929 .  Can anyone else confirm this?

ZFG wrote

Apparently you can get multiple heart pieces from dampes grave digging tour http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997842-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/59516929 .  Can anyone else confirm this?

You can also start with what we believe is either master sword or a goron sword when you create a new file.
We've seen two videos where they randomly start out with the sword equiped.
I contacted one of them, he said that he got big goron sword just a short while before he saved and then went to create a new file (on slot 2!)

There is many odd things going on in this game.

And here is my Bottle on B video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oxo3MKy0qQ

I CAN NOW CONFIRM THAT RBA MEDALLIONS WORKS WITH ODD MUSHROOM!

I also made a video of bottle on B, mainly to test out my other camera's quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApMw4NzjwXk

Great work with this deku stick on B glitch Cloudmax! You are awesome!!

Now we need to make sure what items are linked where in this game. They indeed seems to be different from original and that is awesome thing!! ^_^

Amazing discoveries guys!

Restricted items will probably lead to DoT skip with bombs, gonna test this after work.

Also the chat doesn't work for me, says page isn't found. Help? :(

BA still works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-J3BohKxQ

I have tested tons of the Item Slot RBA
http://zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/ba/reverse-bottle-adventure

They are all the same in OoT3D

After the item slots it seems some things are different (poe doesnt give you bombchus, etc)

more testing needs to be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVZkRTB7ytc light arrow b

SnowMan wrote

Amazing discoveries guys!

Restricted items will probably lead to DoT skip with bombs, gonna test this after work.

Also the chat doesn't work for me, says page isn't found. Help? :(

http://mibbit.com/#zelda@irc.speeddemosarchive.com

I'll make the front page link to this for now until we get around to making our own page with chat embedded.

so, does the light arrow cutscene trigger with just shadow and spirit medalllions like on 64?

Yes, it does

Item Swap glitch obviously allows for FW ANYWHERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrpouaea0Ow

One weird thing I found is that if you FW warp to the castle escape from an area that has no timer, the timer in the escape is completely gone. Warping to Dorf triggers his boss CS, warping to Ganon = CS right after castle collapse. So FW doesn't seem to break the boss rooms or anything like that.

Infinite hearts with dampes grave digging tour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZR21ip2kds

Seriously, how do you screw something like this up when making a game????

ZFG wrote

Seriously, how do you screw something like this up when making a game

put a 0 in the wrong place?

So embarrassing grezzo, they must not have done ANY bug testing on this game, or very little, because even casuals are discovering Jabu Early as adult. i came across this while browsing zelda dungeon, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z02Ljyct4ac&feature=player_embedded. and then i was reading the comments and someone claimed ANOTHER person discovered it.

if they do any bug fixes on future prints of the game (akin to difference between 1.0 and 1.1 for n64), this has to be fixed.

I feel sorry for Grezzo, I really do.

That's pretty sad lol  ;D The thing is this is on the path or at least, close to it when you need to get to ice cavern as adult. So you can unintentionally do the glitch with some luck by walking on the loading zone spot just like this guy did. And I bet he's not the only casual with a few others that got traped inside Jabu's.

thundrio wrote

So embarrassing grezzo, they must not have done ANY bug testing on this game, or very little, because even casuals are discovering Jabu Early as adult. i came across this while browsing zelda dungeon, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z02Ljyct4ac&feature=player_embedded. and then i was reading the comments and someone claimed ANOTHER person discovered it.

if they do any bug fixes on future prints of the game (akin to difference between 1.0 and 1.1 for n64), this has to be fixed.

I feel sorry for Grezzo, I really do.

I think the funniest thing about this is that jabu as adult easy was probably caused by fixing jabu without fish as child XD

ZFG wrote

I think the funniest thing about this is that jabu as adult easy was probably caused by fixing jabu without fish as child XD

Yeah, probably.
The moved the zone to the left, causing it to stick out of the ice as adult. A major mistake. And there is really no excuse for making such a big mistake.

CloudMax wrote

Yeah, probably.
The moved the zone to the left, causing it to stick out of the ice as adult. A major mistake. And there is really no excuse for making such a big mistake.

Band-aid fixes never solve anything.

That's kind of like the whole thing with the rock in Kakariko village. They assumed that only cutscene diving with chickens worked, so they only made the rock appear during the day, when you have access to chickens, instead of just making it there all the time until the certain trigger makes it disappear. Kind of lazy, for sure.

Unfortunately, the DOT is a more efficient fix, because of the extensions it's received. We'll find a way past it eventually though.

I wanted to ask, are the tricks in the water temple for Master Quest still around? Jump-slashing into the boss door to load it, stuff like that? I just started up Master Quest today (finally got time to finish the main quest) and god it's confusing with the mirrored mode.

I have still been attempting to get past that gate in the shadow temple near the boat, but have had no luck, even with the triple slash clip.

Talked about this on the chat last night but here it is, the biggest facepalm speed trick yet:
Ocarina of Time 3D: Basement Floor 1 skip, no Mega sidehop from Deku Baba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMJCIsKytqs

Greenalink wrote

Talked about this on the chat last night but here it is, the biggest facepalm speed trick yet:
Ocarina of Time 3D: Basement Floor 1 skip, no Mega sidehop from Deku Baba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMJCIsKytqs

Yeah, that is just ridiculous... How could they miss something like that? Don't they try to actually move on the terrain they make? :S

CloudMax wrote

Yeah, that is just ridiculous... How could they miss something like that? Don't they try to actually move on the terrain they make? :S

Not sure if their testers were as insane as the Zelda speedrun community is. You guys try EVERYTHING.

As an aside, am I correct in believing that while unloaded rooms have all the collision barriers and such in them, chests remain unloaded?

Valkskorn wrote

Not sure if their testers were as insane as the Zelda speedrun community is. You guys try EVERYTHING.

As an aside, am I correct in believing that while unloaded rooms have all the collision barriers and such in them, chests remain unloaded?

I mean. If they change the terrain in deku tree and add a ledge. You obviously have to try if this new ledge can reach the edge that is just infront of it.

Yes, chests remain unlodaded. : (

By the way, I found a new way to get deku stick on B. It does not require the restricted item glitch. It may be possible without ironboots/hoverboots, I have to do some more testing first though.
I give more details later.

Valkskorn wrote

As an aside, am I correct in believing that while unloaded rooms have all the collision barriers and such in them, chests remain unloaded?

places in OoT are in 2 parts

"scenes" which have all the collision data, loading zones, etc
and "rooms" which have the textures, actors, triggers, doors

when the game fades out and goes to a new area, that is loading a new scene.
when you go through a doorway or through a transition plane (such as the blackness in lost woods or the big drops in the fire temple), you are still in the same scene but it loads a new room.

if you get out of bounds, only the room's actors that you started in will be loaded so you cannot get out of bounds then traverse deep in the dungeon to accomplish anything

the exception is that the loading zones are still there, so if you got out of bounds and then traveled to a loading zone, it would work.

an example of rooms/scenes is how in bottom of the well, to get chus in normal oot you need to get OoB -=From the main room=- because the chus are loaded. If you got out of bounds in the basement, that water wouldnt even be there, and the chu chest wouldn't exist

Here is the new method to achieve Deku Stick on B! (found by me :D)
Disable B button (Currently the only known way is to do the Epona Death Glitch.)
Enter Fishing Pond
Exit Fishing Pond
Jump into Lake Hylia Water
Save and Quit (While in the water!)

When you break deku sticks after this method, you will see the broken giants knife effect, insted of the Deku Stick Effect. The deku stick still look like a hylian shield in your hands though!

The thing that makes the discovery of this method so great is that if we find new methods to achieve disabled B button, it may very well be possible to get deku stick on B without the use of iron/hover boots.
I find it quite interesting how the fishing pond functions.

Ohh, by the way, can someone test if this exact same method works on console? That would be hilarious.

Note! You can not do this by using farores wind at ganon while you're swordless, as all methods except for steal rod requires you to restart the game to get deku stick on B, and when you start the game the file always check if you have master sword in your inventory as adult link. If you do not have it, you get it back and automatically equip it!