OoT3D: 100% Segmented Discussion [NG+ Saw]

All right I'm going to make some edits to Tom's route today. Chief among them will be ww to Nocturne of  Shadow. This will be much less frustrating than Poe Hover, but it has to be an RI wrong warp. I have no experience with wrong warp, so... I'm not gonna be able to do Deku Tree. Hopefully Tom or gamestabled will do that one. This post will be edited with the new route this afternoon.

I can do deku, Ki..I mean Norkix. Ill just have to make a file. (so whats the file name?)

Link. And thanks. I'm still looking for my 3DS, but I can record Seg 1 as soon as I find it cos my iPod works now.

And stop with the almost-calling-me-Kix, it's annoying.

Why Link? Sigh, ok norKIX. Also how can you record with an ipod? I thought only iphones and some ipads had a camera.

Norkix wrote

All right I'm going to make some edits to Tom's route today. Chief among them will be ww to Nocturne of  Shadow. This will be much less frustrating than Poe Hover, but it has to be an RI wrong warp. I have no experience with wrong warp, so... I'm not gonna be able to do Deku Tree. Hopefully Tom or gamestabled will do that one. This post will be edited with the new route this afternoon.

RI into the warp requires the real farores and magic, so youre looking at a dungeon order (probably) of DC-Jabu-Deku OR Bombs-Jabu-Deku-DC. The advantage to the second is that you could potentially do another fwww, idk where. Probably not silver gauntlets. You could do something like Owl->Kakariko which sends you to a cutscene in lon-lon that lasts about 5 seconds, then sets you up perfect to do what you gotta do there.

If you wrong warp into the cutscene, do you learn the real Nocturn of Shadow?
Like, if you get the 3 medallions afterwards and then head for Kakariko, does the cutscene play when you enter?

r0bd0g wrote

If you wrong warp into the cutscene, do you learn the real Nocturn of Shadow?
Like, if you get the 3 medallions afterwards and then head for Kakariko, does the cutscene play when you enter?

Well I know that when you play the CS with WW you do really get the song, but I bet if you did enter regularly after getting the first3 medallions, I would assume that the cutscene would play again. Then again, I assumed you wouldn't actually get the song with WW, and look how that turned out. :P

So does this count as duping? Do you have to watch the cutscene again and get the "real" song? 100% definitions are annoying.

someone would need to play to that point to see if the cutscene triggers again.

with my experience, i think the cutscene will play again. if you ask why i think that, i used FWWW to get both Nocturne and Silver Gauntlets in a max% as child with ng+ FW and i had to see SG's cutscene twice. first, the FWWW version that takes me to the ledge with the chest unopened and then again after i got SG (that's the original trigger). i'm guessing it will be the same with Nocturne since when you FWWW to it, you don't hit the trigger that activates it normally.

NORKIX IS BACK BITCHES!!!

I don't care if you guys are gonna help me or not, but I'm gonna start work on this again tomorrow.

Also, if anyone has Kid Icarus, I'm happy to play with you guys! ^_^

100% FTW!

Norkixs I actually wanted to start this up again as well. I'm ready to help. Only I kind of want to do single segment, but I'll still help you out with the route for segmented.

Yes, I'll help too.

Thanks guys, glad to have a team again!

I'm going to make a file today to test with. I'll also type up the Child Dungeon Routes. If you guys could give me feedback on what Tom Nook had, I can make some improvements to the child route, which could be done RTA if you wanted Single Seg. I think that will be what it comes to eventually...

Thanks a lot guys, welcome to the team!

I thought we were going to do RI warps :( all my practisings been for nothing? :'(

Not necessarily, Toast. We'll definitely be doing the RI FWWW. We're not gonna waste time getting Iron Boots  just so we can Hookshot Jump for Shadow Early. However if you could make a video, so the rest of us could practice, that would make you a Very Nice Person and I would be thankful. :)

I already have a vid Kix (did not do research) and its semi old. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTW_WH3wGNM
This might not work for some people because the time it takes me to move my finger to "items" from A happens to be pretty close. Tapping "items" is a bit difficult though. I did this on my first try just so you know.
Now im a VNP and you're thankful :D
I still prefer segmented though. I might do a seg that others have trouble, then move to my MST run. Just PM me everything and ill do it.

Norkix wrote

NORKIX IS BACK BITCHES!!!

What is this? Majora's revenge? Did you really think someone couldn't have caught that? You disappoint me Kix :(

The hell are you... Oh. No, I just was excited and said that. It was not an MR reference at all. Glad you read my fanfics though, thanks!

Okay, I think I have found no way to make the HJ work in the route, so we will definitely be RI FWWWing. That makes this run quite dangerous for RTA, but a save before the WW will let you try again if you fuck up the first couple times. Honestly, I think Toast's vid makes it look over-complicated. I'll see if the method I thought of while watching may be easier, especially since it is simply a carefully timed RI use.

Seriously, anyone for Kid Icarus? Please?

Sorry no Kid Icarus...

Anyways, Don't we need the iron boots anyways in 100%? I say we just do the fire temple first, give the knife to Biggoron, and then head on down to ice cavern to get the iron boots, and complete the trade sequence, then head on down to Kakiriko Village to do the shadow temple. We really don't even need hovers for fire temple, except for the bk skip which doesn't even save that much time. Also we don't really need to WW to Silver Gauntlets CS because we have to go through Gerudo Fortress anyways to get the card, skulltulas, and ice arrows, and we need the skulltula in the haunted wasteland... Honestly I just don't think that we should go out of our way to get FW earlier than we need to.

Also I think that child dungeons should be done in regular order. After getting Saria's song, I think we should do the Deku Tree. I t saves us from hellfire, and really doesn't waste any time at all...

Actually, doing ItDT last allows for one trip to Deku Tree. Otherwise we would have to come back for that one GS behind the bombable wall. We already have a basic route, I'm just trying to save time later. And I meant WW to Nocturne from ItDT. We don't need to get Silver Gauntlets, they don't count in the end, so we don't have to get them, especially since there's a skip for them. Hellfire Skip isn't hard, it just takes practice. I get it like 90% of the time, and those times I messed up in my vid were so I could do the corny joke at the end. If you don't want to go fast, then don't speedrun. Stick to MST, because we're WWing to Nocturne in 100%.

Norkix wrote

those times I messed up in my vid were so I could do the corny joke at the end.

Yea, right :/
PS:I don't read ur FF just so you know.
PPS:The RI warp didn't look confusing to me.

No need to be salty kixs. Just trying to bring some options up. That's what routing's all about right? :P

Anyways, yeah I forgot that we need bombs for Deku Tree. Also RI WW will be better for segmented, but I guess I'm too stuck on RTA. I'll hold off on RTA for a bit and when segmented routing slows down, I'll start bringing RTA into perspective.

So are the routes for adult link dungeons up for discussion yet? I want to discuss gold skulltula routing in Fire, Shadow, and Water sometime.

@Toast: Hmm... then how would you know Majora says something akin to that? Hmmmmm? And I didn't say confusing, I said over-complicated. You were criss-crossing your hands and stuff, there's no need for that.

@Ben: Sorry man it's my first time routing, and the current route is a rehash of one I made for Hammer NG+, so I'm kind of partial to it. And you can run this route RTA (Single Segment with Resets), you just wanna practice a lot. I still do the old Hammer route every now and then, and that's single seg. You could build off that and make a max% child route if you want.

@TWF: We are still talking about Adult dungeon order...

Now I think about it, I like Ben's idea of going to Fire first and then doing Ice Cavern and going to Shadow after that. Good idea Ben, I think we'll do that!

Unfortunately, unexpected chores came up today, and I was unable to post the dungeon routes I worked on today. They should be up a little later tonight.

So does that still mean we're WW to Nocturne CS? In a segmented run, I think we would at least try to do JJB second and then do ItDK third and try to get a RI WW to skip the long ass creation CS if we aren't WW to Nocturne CS.

Will the scarecrow's song be obtained by then to reach two of the skulltulas?

@Ben: We might... In Pedal's video, he's able to warp back to the boss room entrance with the Medallion. Is it possible to do that in ItDT? Or will it be better to warp to Desert Colossus or Nocturne... Warp to Colossus does sound good. What do you guys think? Nocturne, Colossus or CS skip?

@TWF: Ooo, forgot about those! I suppose we could bombslide to Lake Hylia after becoming adult, do the Scarecrow's Song (XAXYXAXY imo, nice and quick and easy to remember), the Savewarp back to ToT... Then get Epona (?) and head to Kakariko, where it is undecided what we will do.

I'm thinking Nocturne. I'm thinking it's faster to grab the Gerudo Token, the Ice Arrows and everything else upon heading to Spirit. The Hover Boots will also shorten every other dungeon. We might have to split shadow in two parts. It might be good to get the hookshot, go and get the scarecrow's song, then warp to shadow.

I think if we're going to RI WW it should be something short... so I suppose it should be to Nocturne. That CS is shorter than 2 Sarias, I think.

Norkix wrote

@Toast: Hmm... then how would you know Majora says something akin to that? Hmmmmm? And I didn't say confusing, I said over-complicated. You were criss-crossing your hands and stuff, there's no need for that.

Sorry about that criss-cross thing, i can only buffer it with my left hand middle finger, thats why it blocked the screen.

As for MR, i saw a link there in your sig and was like "meh, ill take a quick look and post a troll review >:)" Then i saw a review by someone that said Majoras end line was something, something (cant remember) so i took a quick look and saw that text :o.......What were you thinking? Its so stupid i cant help but remember it every time i see you :(

Warp to nocturne...and remember to test fire temple, we dont want it to stay mysterious ;)

Sorry guys, fell asleep... I'm thinking that if the whole thing with the Fire Temple→Ice Cavern→Shadow works out, we should warp to Colossus, skip the gauntets and get the child GSs. Then, savewarp back to Kokiri Forest and complete Child 1.

Of course, I might be wasting time trying to get as many Skulltulas as possible before Adult... What do you guys think?