General Trick Discussion

SamusXLink wrote

Has anyone tried clipping with Eponaslide? You probably have, but I'm just wondering.

I've tried a little, and never got even close to clipping anything. I highly doubt it's possible anywhere.

edit: just tried setting my speed to 5k+ and the best i could do was start to run up some walls (like 2 steps). No way in hell 73 speed epona slide will clip anything.

edit2: http://i.imgur.com/APv8z.png Managed to clip underground for a few frames at a time by running into the corner by the house. I always pop right back out right away, but it was still quite interesting.

Have you tried using a bomb to push you through once you have clipped?

No, but it's impossible to do without at least a few hundred speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRj7DMGbK8

Faron twilight escape.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwbSBH0xFAY

Megaflop.

I would have thought this was known, but apparently not. In forest temple after going back to the main room after saving the second monkey, it's significantly faster to jump down and run around to the stairs than to jump across with the monkeys.

ahou wrote

I would have thought this was known, but apparently not. In forest temple after going back to the main room after saving the second monkey, it's significantly faster to jump down and run around to the stairs than to jump across with the monkeys.

What? It doesn't seem like that would be faster. Unless of course you can skip activating the first monkey's cutscene and i'm an idiot >_>

You can. Saves 1-2 seconds.

so I'm an idiot and messed around hyrule castle today. I thought I'd post this so someone doesnt find the same thing and get their hopes dashed. If you map glitch in the center hyrule town area you can run up and push the door that the guards usually block open, and if you save, the doors are open ( in the background). so when you load the save it looks like the doors are open from the center market area and then you actually go there and the guards are there and its closed :(. Also, theres a space between the pillar and the wall like the DoT in OoT(the base of the pillar connects with the wall tho :() lolz.

All of that is known/old. The closest thing we have to EHC right now is using mapglitch to bypass the first set of doors completely and walking to the second set that loads Hyrule Castle. Unfortunately there's a wall that extends OoB that you can't bypass. If you could somehow get epona into castle town without the game freezing, you could just ride around it.

Pheenoh wrote

All of that is known/old. The closest thing we have to EHC right now is using mapglitch to bypass the first set of doors completely

Wait, you can bypass the first set of doors? Is there a vid of this somewhere?

Razor7581 wrote

Wait, you can bypass the first set of doors? Is there a vid of this somewhere?

Quoted for truth. Vid please. How do you bypass the first solid exterior column?

You can get past the first door with map glitch, but then there is no ground to walk to the second door, after the first. Not even an lja (which you can't do) will get you even halfway to the door. There's also no load zone around the door, you need to actually push it open. Getting epona inside would make it easy, but this just crashes the game.

The only way early hyrule castle would be possible would be with a wrong warp.

ahou wrote

You can get past the first door with map glitch

Maybe I just haven't been keeping up with this game, but since when can you get past the first door with map glitch? Last I knew, you could get OoB with map glitch, but no one could get past the first door because of an invisible wall. Am I missing something here?

Here's the best we have for early Hyrule Castle as far as I know with the map glitch, unless someone is able to find / produce something better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5cHiNgW_L4

Razor7581 wrote

Maybe I just haven't been keeping up with this game, but since when can you get past the first door with map glitch? Last I knew, you could get OoB with map glitch, but no one could get past the first door because of an invisible wall. Am I missing something here?

You can push the door open if you map glitch from the other area. It still doesn't matter though. The only possible chance of early hyrule castle is a wrong warp. There is absolutely no other way to do it. Even if you could use items.

ahou wrote

You can push the door open if you map glitch from the other area. It still doesn't matter though. The only possible chance of early hyrule castle is a wrong warp. There is absolutely no other way to do it. Even if you could use items.

Ah I see what you are saying.  You can get past the first door if you glitch from Hyrule town square.

However, I wouldn't consider that to be the closest early Hyrule Castle method.  In fact, it's pretty far off and isn't really a method at all.  You can walk an infinite distance past the first door using cheats if you do map glitch in Hyrule square then go to north Hyrule and you still won't see the hyrule castle door or a loading zone.  Unlike oot, loading zones are only active when you have the larger map area active that they are in (it willl be highlighted on your mini map).

Razor7581 wrote

JRD05 wrote

Wait, you can bypass the first set of doors? Is there a vid of this somewhere?

Quoted for truth. Vid please. How do you bypass the first solid exterior column?

I was saying that's the closest thing if it were possible. I even explained why it's not in the very next sentence. >_>

TP is now officially broken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blRGiFIQ1-Q

edit: another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iu-rQAKQ1M

Greatest tricks evar

Other interesting things Rog found (some may be old):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQom5r-nbA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mixSnWxFa80
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DteW0VRd5xw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=el_Ju1iMO3w

Only the first one is useful. (100%)

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, that one isn't useful either. It'd be way faster to just talk to the mailman.

Yeah, that mailman skip is useless, since you wouldn't have epona.

The ljas in lost woods would save time for fixed ems, but obviously that isn't useful.

ahou wrote

Yeah, that mailman skip is useless, since you wouldn't have epona.

The ljas in lost woods would save time for fixed ems, but obviously that isn't useful.

Actually you would at that point in 100%, that's why it's useless. The horseweed grass is near the Kakariko entrance, so you'd have to roll all the way to lanayru.

Pheenoh wrote

Actually you would at that point in 100%, that's why it's useless. The horseweed grass is near the Kakariko entrance, so you'd have to roll all the way to lanayru.

That's what i'm saying. You would not have epona if you skipped the mailman. Unless we find a way to lja with epona.

ahou wrote

That's what i'm saying. You would not have epona if you skipped the mailman. Unless we find a way to lja with epona.

I expect to see Mega LJA in the following weeks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YRBCRYyRSo
lja across kakariko gorge, this time it's actually possible. It's a little too slow, and far too impossible to be useful though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoId6UdtJh0
spinner skip, if ehc is ever found (lol).

You've posted some interesting discoveries there.

Yea, that Kakariko gorge crossing method is a little slow.  But does it have merit for a single segment run (or low% single segment if it is really slow) when taking into account the new forest escape, since you can't BIT, BITE, or reset?

And it's good we can skip the spinner.  The only problem is that when the spinner is skipped, I think you would also have to skip the double clawshots.  You need the spinner in City in the Sky to get across that first bridge and eventually make your way to the mini boss fight.  Most likely you won't be able to skip the double clawshots because of that long empty hallway in Hyrule Castle before the last darknut fight.  But who knows, maybe a way will be found now that there are TASing capabilities. 

JRD05 wrote

You've posted some interesting discoveries there.

Yea, that Kakariko gorge crossing method is a little slow.  But does it have merit for a single segment run (or low% single segment if it is really slow) when taking into account the new forest escape, since you can't BIT, BITE, or reset?

And it's good we can skip the spinner.  The only problem is that when the spinner is skipped, I think you would also have to skip the double clawshots.  You need the spinner in City in the Sky to get across that first bridge and eventually make your way to the mini boss fight.  Most likely you won't be able to skip the double clawshots because of that long empty hallway in Hyrule Castle before the last darknut fight.  But who knows, maybe a way will be found now that there are TASing capabilities. 

Single Segment still can't use the new forest escape because of Lakebed Temple. Can't skip City in the Sky because you have to get into Palace of Twilight. The gap in Hyrule Castle for the double clawshots is too large for an LJA to even come remotely close, so I doubt spinner will ever be completely skipped even in a EHC scenario.

Isn't there a way to do cits without spinner?

Single segment without zora armor would need water bombs before entering lakebed. I believe the only way to do that is to fish for them, which i can't imagine being faster. Getting over the fence is almost impossible anyway. I tried for 2-3 hours yesterday, and couldn't get over again.

It's definitely impossible to skip clawshots. The stairs in HC are about the same height/distance as the spinner one, but without damage boost, you can't jump across any of the platforms.

ahou wrote

Single segment without zora armor would need water bombs before entering lakebed. I believe the only way to do that is to fish for them, which i can't imagine being faster. Getting over the fence is almost impossible anyway. I tried for 2-3 hours yesterday, and couldn't get over again.

There's a good chance that it is faster for single segment since they could skip diababa/zora armor, but like you said that jumpslash over the railing is too stupid.

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It's a third of a second faster to go left through the arches here than to go around the right.

other assorted time savers, most of which are only worthwhile for tas/segmented:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFLS8XXSiAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFBrjCf8vsM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFP7G5kkBcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlsVGTH2DJI