Tricks/Glitches/Timesavers topic

Here's a quick video I made of the 3F skip in Desert Palace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLHMeCWN4w

People seemed to have trouble with it, so I made a video.
It may also be easier if you use two statues, I used one since I had already killed the other one.

Sorry about the quality, recorded with my iphone, didn't want to bother fixing my camera and stuff.

KingOfHeart wrote

I also wonder if portals always work, even before they are shown.. if it's true, and you clip a bit into the wall where a portal should be, maybe you can activate it early.
Guess the best way to figure this one out is the north east house in kakariko village.

Portals don't work like that. If they did, we wouldn't be able to clip through them, we would warp instead.

Also, thanks CloudMax for explaining clipping, though you actually had to land on of the enemy to be able to clip for some reason :P

Ok, here's a pretty good sequence break in Turtle Rock: http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3322719

This skips a small chunk of the dungeon and a small key.

If someone wants to find a better way to do this, PLEASE be my guest. This is an absolute bitch to do consistently.

I found another glitch in Kakariko Village. I think it's safe to assume it's utterly useless, but nonetheless, it's interesting. As far as I can tell, this is the only spot it will work. (Within Kakariko Village.)

Please excuse the shakiness of the camera, I was too lazy to go set up my tripod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMmys8A7wY&feature=youtu.be

Paraxade wrote

Ok, here's a pretty good sequence break in Turtle Rock: http://www.twitch.tv/parax0/c/3322719

This skips a small chunk of the dungeon and a small key.

If someone wants to find a better way to do this, PLEASE be my guest. This is an absolute bitch to do consistently.

I seem to get it very consistently by killing the first wizzrobe with an arrow to get the 100 rupee small chest platform to rise. Then just going off the right of that and straight down against the wall. You still respawn in the same place as in your video after falling in the lava. One less wizzrobe to worry about, and going straight down is pretty easy. In the video, you ended up killing that wizzrobe anyway.

I managed to find a little timesaver and a skip in House of Gales.

Can someone tell me if skip 2 is faster than just using the Tornado Rod? I'm certain using the Hookshot is faster than the Tornado Rod, it's harder using the Tornado Rod. Hookshot seems to be faster.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmegAzoOWr4
(Please excuse the noise the camera makes)

EDIT: Greenalink has already found out the first method. I didn't realize. Apologies to Greenalink! Go check out his video, it's done in a better manner.

Vortex wrote

I managed to find two skips in House of Gales.

Can someone tell me if skip 2 is faster than just using the Tornado Rod? I'm certain using the Hookshot is faster than the Tornado Rod, it's harder using the Tornado Rod. Hookshot seems to be faster.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmegAzoOWr4
(Please excuse the noise the camera makes)

I should probably get better at documenting stuff I find also...

Skip 1 is known, Greenalink has a video of it and in a better method too...

Skip 2 is also known by me and ZFG, not sure how many others are doing it like this, but we use the hookshot to get the key... I should have probably said this earlier... my bad.

Vortex wrote

I found another glitch in Kakariko Village. I think it's safe to assume it's utterly useless, but nonetheless, it's interesting. As far as I can tell, this is the only spot it will work. (Within Kakariko Village.)

Please excuse the shakiness of the camera, I was too lazy to go set up my tripod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMmys8A7wY&feature=youtu.be

...yeah that's it I'm documenting every little thing we find even it's utterly useless... We already knew this (ZFG, FaschZ and I) and since it was totally useless none of us documented it I guess... FaschZ found it before I did but when he saw me doing it he said it didn't have a use and just named it "infinite dash"... yeah, pointless...

Volvagia wrote

I should probably get better at documenting stuff I find also...

Skip 1 is known, Greenalink has a video of it and in a better method too...

Yes-- you should! If you've already found some stuff out, you should definitely post. Should help us out!

Ah, my bad! Apologies to Greenalink, then. I didn't realize. I made sure to ctrl+f to see if anything of the likes had been posted. Must've slipped past me. Sorry!

Volvagia wrote

Skip 2 is also known by me and ZFG, not sure how many others are doing it like this, but we use the hookshot to get the key... I should have probably said this earlier... my bad.

http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=1478.msg25716#msg25716

(ZFG's post after this one says hookshot)

Unrelatedly. Sahasrhala's house is locked at the beginning of the game. If you use the cucco clip to get inside early, he'll be asleep when you walk in, but talking to him just makes him say "Hurry on ahead! I'll join you there just as soon as I can." Doesn't seem to be possible to trigger the cutscene that usually happens here, which is unfortunate. Woulda been cool if there was a way to skip some of the intro crap.

I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but my game just froze XD
I was using the pegasus boots on the tree in the top right corner of hyrule, and I collided with it and then it just randomly froze.

I found a nifty little trick with the Ice Rod on the boss in the Swamp Palace.

When you get the boss to phase 2 after you kill all of its eyes, you are able to completely freeze the boss with the Ice Rod. This completely interrupts what the boss is doing and he will even remain idle for about a second after he unfreezes, allowing you to get more hits in. This also works on the boss in Lorule Castle. I was able to kill the boss pretty quickly in phase 2 once I discovered this. I wonder if it would be possible to quick kill him in phase 2 by freezing him and attacking him repeatedly, not allowing him to move at all.

I managed to get past the girl outside the Treacherous Tower. Sadly there is no loading zone or anything there. It's just an empty space you can walk around in.
You can also merge around the entire tower, but there's nothing of value, not even any visual errors.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/icq9m221o9r2bq9/2013-12-01%2013.00.30.mov

Edit:
I found a way to skipe Rosso's Ore Mine. It should be slightly faster? At least it looks way more awesome, since it uses 3 glitches. One to get pushed up on a ledge, keeping pegasus boots momentum, and then using Tornado Rod right after respawning in midair to clip out of the mountain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvexWxr3qEw

Edit2:
It's possible to skip opening the first Locked Door on 2F in House of Gales, giving you a spare key for 3F, making it possible to go straight for the boss when you reach that floor.
I still don't know of a consistent way of doing this, and I haven't been able to do it while recording at all.
Where you get the Big Key there are 4 armos. You can use the armos to get pushed to the upper ledge while using Tornado Rod, bypassing the locked door.
This would save a lot of time, but is hard to pull off, especially with just 4 or 5 hearts.
I'm trying to record it on a file that haven't done gales yet to display how much it actually would skip, but I just keep dying.

Edit3: Outside Eastern Palace you can use an armos to get up on a ledge and merge onto the cliff to the right and get up onto an otherwise unreachable cliff. You can't reach any interesting places from it.
You can also do it in the northern section outside the palace, next to the statue (non-moving armos), and merge all the way over the left side, until your get to another normally unreachable cliff. It's possible to transition over to next screen, but you can't do anything from there as far as I can tell.

Edit4: It doesn't seem to be possible to clip thru stuff with hookshot. In Hyrule Lost Woods I managed to use a chuchu to clip slightly into a wall and hook onto a stock stump (This is in the northeast section of lost woods), but I did not get pulled thru. The hookshot is simply removed and thing continues as normally. Someone should re-confirm this though, since I may just have been very, very unlucky multiple times.

You can also get up on the sides in Hyrule Lost Woods, the opening that leads to the piece of heart can be used together with a ChuChu to clip into it, then use tornado rod to get up on top.

CloudMax wrote

Edit2:
It's possible to skip opening the first Locked Door on 2F in House of Gales, giving you a spare key for 3F, making it possible to go straight for the boss when you reach that floor.
I still don't know of a consistent way of doing this, and I haven't been able to do it while recording at all.
Where you get the Big Key there are 4 armos. You can use the armos to get pushed to the upper ledge while using Tornado Rod, bypassing the locked door.
This would save a lot of time, but is hard to pull off, especially with just 4 or 5 hearts.
I'm trying to record it on a file that haven't done gales yet to display how much it actually would skip, but I just keep dying.

Great find, Cloudmax. I've been trying all day so far to do this, but I've had no luck. Can you give a more in-depth explanation? That would help a ton! If I finally figure out how to perform this, I can get a recording for you if you'd like.

Vortex wrote

Great find, Cloudmax. I've been trying all day so far to do this, but I've had no luck. Can you give a more in-depth explanation? That would help a ton! If I finally figure out how to perform this, I can get a recording for you if you'd like.

The thing is, I don't have an in-depth explanation. I can't even replicate it myself. I got up again once, but just barely and link slided down and didn't stay up there. I tried to replicate it while recording for like 30 minutes or so, no luck. I used 2 armos, and I got up on the bottom ledge, not the one to the right. (I basically aimed for the bottom right corner of it, trying to land there)

Ah, okay! I'll be sure to try and attempt it.

Speaking of House of Gales, I found another little timesaver. Honestly, I don't think you would ever need to use this in a run, but even so, it's mildly interesting.
It requires you have the Pegasus Boots.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKqE3Is0Gfk&feature=youtu.be

Vortex wrote

Ah, okay! I'll be sure to try and attempt it.

Speaking of House of Gales, I found another little timesaver. Honestly, I don't think you would ever need to use this in a run, but even so, it's mildly interesting.
It requires you have the Pegasus Boots.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKqE3Is0Gfk&feature=youtu.be

That ones interesting, it's unfortunate that it doesn't actually take you to an useful location.

And I can finally understand why Greenalink hasn't been able to get a Lorule Castle early yet. There's no freaking collision under either the doorsteps, or the entire castle for that matter.
I've managed to find ways to clip up onto both sides of the bridge, stand on both sides of the castle, and even clip under the castle from both sides, but there's just no collision. If there were, it would probably be possible to just walk under and use tornado rod into the loading zone. sadly, nintendo decided not to put collision under this specific building. :(

Also, why is the ground up on both sides next to the lorule castle door ice? At least the section covered by the blue magic thingy acts like Ice. The same actor isn't used elsewhere as far as I know, so it makes no sense for it to change the floor surface type to ice, unless it was originally some other actor or whatever.

Edit:
Tried to merge around the cliff southeast of the Vacant House.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6440063/albw/cliff_merge_southeast_vacant_house.jpg
You can't walk further than that. all you get is a visual error in the bottom left.

Edit2:
If you have the scroll it's possible to merge in the other direction, all the way to the ledge where the Big Boulder is. You can clip thru them if you fall onto them correctly, and enter the caves behind them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0V6T2Dc-7Q
Someone should confirm if it's possible to do the same thing with the boulder south of the big bomb area.

This enemy + tornado rod seems like this will be the most useful glitch of the game.


Loving this ledge walking the most so far.

Last night I was screwing around with the spike ball room in Lorule Castle trying to figure out a way to skip the evil floor tile room. You can actually do some semi interesting stuff with the first rolling spike ball (the one blocked by a statue). Move the statue so the ball rolls past then move it back into position and use the tornado rod as the next ball comes out and you can sort of briefly stand on top of the ball before you get shoved back off. This lets you get onto the railings, which unfortunately doesn't let you do anything interesting aside from skipping knocking down the first spiked ball. You can move the statue to stop the rolling spike ball wherever you want though, and it seems that it's not a situation that the devs thought of, because it's possible to get yourself permanently trapped in a couple spots and be forced to reset the game to get out.

Didn't find anything useful though unfortunately.

edit: Oh, may as well mention something else too. I was messing around with the early Desert Palace boss arena glitch, and I didn't find a way to make it work, but I did notice a couple strange things. First is that there's actually an invisible wall running around the edge of the arena, and when you first clip in you're behind it. This means you can actually run around on the edge of the wall. Doesn't let you do anything interesting though. Second, I have no idea why, but for some reason when you first clip in, your sand pillars are higher than they're supposed to be. Usually you can just make sand pillars here and run across the top, but after clipping in they're too high to run on so you have to merge to run around. If you cross over to where the boss battle is supposed to start, they change to the height they're supposed to be at.

edit 2: Also also. If you make sand pillars at the entrance to Desert Palace and try to pegasus boots off the ledge going up-left, you can get RIDICULOUSLY close to landing on top and skipping half the dungeon. I'm pretty sure you could make it if you could get on top of one of the railings. Wondering if one of you guys might have better luck than I did with that. There's a few vulture enemies around and you can get them to follow you to the railing; the problem is you can't use the tornado rod to clip with them, because the tornado rod will push them out of the way. Ice rod will kill them instantly. The closest I got was getting on top of the railing adjacent to the stairs, but it turns out you can't stand on that and Link just zips straight down to the ground. If it were possible we could probably skip the Titan Mitts as well, I don't think they're needed anywhere.

Paraxade wrote

If it were possible we could probably skip the Titan Mitts as well, I don't think they're needed anywhere.

Unless I remember it wrong, isn't the titans mitts used in the very last room, after you open the boss door? You make a path of sand pillars, lift a boulder, make another path of sand pillars, and get out.

I also tried to use pegasus to skip earlier, I had no luck with it either. I didn't manage to get up on any of the railings though. Made no progress at all with that.

I dunno if you're supposed to use them there, but you don't need them. I just make a sand pillar along the right wall, pegasus down, and then merge with the wall for the last bit.

Paraxade wrote

I dunno if you're supposed to use them there, but you don't need them. I just make a sand pillar along the right wall, pegasus down, and then merge with the wall for the last bit.

Ahh, I guess that makes sense. I didn't even realise that you could use the Sand Rod on the sides. I guess that solves that problem. So in theory we could skip Mitts if we could just get past the very few boulders that are blocking the path. That's interesting.

Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned this in the thread, but the screen transitions aren't completely grid based like ALTTP. You can only transition in the direction that the area you're in normally would be able to. I tried this on multiple locations while OoB on cliffs, I could transition OoB in directions normally possible, but not others.

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/albw/info/item-attack-power

Note that the Super Net and Super Lamp have the same attack power as the "butter" sword.

Probably obvious, but this is a timesaver in HoG. It's simple, yet effective. It only shaves about a half second off, but I mean, that could mean the difference in a WR run.

(If this was posted somewhere- sorry. But, ctrl+f gave me nothing.)

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTVR9xfFhc&feature=youtu.be
(ZFG also linked a video of this same method, I hadn't realized. My apologies!)

Yeah, it's very interesting that the Super Lamp and Net has same damage as Lv. 3 sword. I mean, if you have a Lv. 2 sword, it should technically be better to just use the Super Lamp, shouldn't it?

Vortex wrote

Probably obvious, but this is a timesaver in HoG. It's simple, yet effective. It only shaves about a half second off, but I mean, that could mean the difference in a WR run.

(If this was posted somewhere- sorry. But, ctrl+f gave me nothing.)

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrTVR9xfFhc&feature=youtu.be

That's been posted somewhere before, I'm not really sure where though. It's a nice little timesaver indeed. I believe many runners are already using it however.

CloudMax wrote

That's been posted somewhere before, I'm not really sure where though. It's a nice little timesaver indeed. I believe many runners are already using it however.

I don't recall it being posted before, anywhere. Atleast, not on these forums. I haven't seen it before ever.
Yeah! Definitely. It's a neat little timesaver and should definitely be used.

Vortex wrote

I don't recall it being posted before, anywhere. Atleast, not on these forums. I haven't seen it before ever.
Yeah! Definitely. It's a neat little timesaver and should definitely be used.

ZFG linked it in the original post. http://www.twitch.tv/irule782/c/3294168

quo wrote

ZFG linked it in the original post. http://www.twitch.tv/irule782/c/3294168

Oh, boy. He did, too! Thanks! Should I just remove my post?

Vortex wrote

Oh, boy. He did, too! Thanks! Should I just remove my post?

lol I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh, some people may not have seen it yet (for example, some guy named vortex seemed to have missed it)

Just be careful next time :P

Question: Are there any enemies in the game that have weaknesses to a particular item?

mzxrules wrote

Question: Are there any enemies in the game that have weaknesses to a particular item?

Yes, certain ice enemies will instantly die to the fire rod.

I think that some fire and ice wiz-robes are either weak to their opposite rod or resistant to their similar one.

Other than that there are some enemies that are easier to fight with certain items, but there isn't any inherent damage boost... I think

EDIT: This is all completely off the top of my head, feel free to disregard.