OoT / MQ - Question & Answer / Trick Help Thread

Link99 wrote

I'm having great difficulty in the forest temple, I'm trying to do the jump here.

It's the one where you ground jump onto the block and then have to hover walk (well, roll) around the corner and make it to the ledge on the other side. I've tried it a good few times this morning and I can never seem to get the distance. Has anyone got any little tricks that help with this jump? It's really bugging me!

When you climb up on the block, go into C-Up and put the B button a little to the right of the corner of the wall like in the video.  Go forward, and a bit before going off the block start the first roll.  When you're coming up from the roll, press up-left to change the angle and quickly start the 2nd roll, and you should make it.  Once you know what to do its an extremely easy trick.

Glozboy wrote

Hi everyone,

I'm wondering how the Navi dive Forest Escape alters the route for any%? Does it mean the Ocarina can now be completely skipped?

Yes, it does change the route quite a bit.  The new route does navi dive, buys a bean in ZR, go to ZD, get silver scale, dive to LH and get rutos letter, plant the magic bean near the lab, back to ZD, move king zora and go down ZR to the castle.  This skips ocarina as you said, as well as hookshot for adult.

ZFG wrote

When you climb up on the block, go into C-Up and put the B button a little to the right of the corner of the wall like in the video.  Go forward, and a bit before going off the block start the first roll.  When you're coming up from the roll, press up-left to change the angle and quickly start the 2nd roll, and you should make it.  Once you know what to do its an extremely easy trick.

Thank you very much, I'll practice those steps this evening!

My best time is 4 hours 10 minutes without RBA. I'm trying to cut that time down now by implementing the door of time skip. But I keep getting killed by trying to get that blasted sideways roll to the left. Is there anything someone can mention for finding the right spot on the control stick quickly each time?
Even the times I have managed to get it right have always failed, but I'll worry about jumpslash timing later once I can get that roll down.

Eryth wrote

My best time is 4 hours 10 minutes without RBA. I'm trying to cut that time down now by implementing the door of time skip. But I keep getting killed by trying to get that blasted sideways roll to the left. Is there anything someone can mention for finding the right spot on the control stick quickly each time?
Even the times I have managed to get it right have always failed, but I'll worry about jumpslash timing later once I can get that roll down.

The Sideroll Sidejump clip? I haven't quite mastered DoT skip to the point where I can consistently clip, but I've done it a few times. The sideroll is really easy, you just hold back til the action button is just about to flip over to jump, then just barely tilt it to the left. Then when you're rolling, hold the joystick all the way down into the bottom left groove and mash A to sidejump. You should clip pretty easily, assuming you have the proper angle.

as a child. is sidehopping up stairs faster than backwalking up them? i learned that sidehopping is faster than backwalking on flat ground as  a child, so i'm trying to cram as many sidehops in my movement as i can in my child dungeons run.

lovage wrote

as a child. is sidehopping up stairs faster than backwalking up them? i learned that sidehopping is faster than backwalking on flat ground as  a child, so i'm trying to cram as many sidehops in my movement as i can in my child dungeons run.

I'm fairly sure that sidehopping up and down slopes is the fastest way of going up and down slopes besides supersliding as adult and child

Okay so I'm fairly new, and I was wondering, the Navi Dive escape, how exactly is it done? I can't do it, but it looks so simple.

EDIT: Well I feel dumb, I figured it out.

Smith wrote

Okay so I'm fairly new, and I was wondering, the Navi Dive escape, how exactly is it done? I can't do it, but it looks so simple.

EDIT: Well I feel dumb, I figured it out.

The easiest setup is to jump to the gray box from the bank of the pond to grab the ledge. Make sure your sword is put away and wait for Navi to appear. Press b twice and then talk to Navi. This also puts you the closest to the loading zone.

Razor7581 wrote

The easiest setup is to jump to the gray box from the bank of the pond to grab the ledge. Make sure your sword is put away and wait for Navi to appear. Press b twice and then talk to Navi. This also puts you the closest to the loading zone.

Thank you.

I'm having a bit of trouble with the Pokey Escape - a lot of the time I do it I glitch into the chap but once the text is over I fall back out on the wrong side, so I have to do it again. Does anyone know what causes this to happen?

You're probably just a few pixels out away from the guard.  Make sure you're as close as possible to him and make sure you don't move while turning right.

Ah I see, it's very possible I move a little bit when I pivot right. Thanks for the tip!

So I've watched the tutorial on Bombchu's early in Bottom of the Well and everything, and I can make it all the way to the skulltula part where I need to vine clip, but I can't vine clip, I can't get an understanding on how to do it. Can anybody give me some other tops on how to do it?  :-X because I'm just not getting it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQmvstRP3I&feature=related

This is the most consistent/ easy way that i have seen

I'm having trouble with a Crouch Stab WESS Forest Escape. I don't know how to keep the WESS going. I hold Z, and I stop. I don't, and I stop. I continue holding R the whole time, is that the problem? The frame I exit the water I stop moving.

Are you holding ESS position?

The joystick tilt? Yes.

Toolex wrote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXQmvstRP3I&feature=related

This is the most consistent/ easy way that i have seen

I watched that and got a lot out of it except the Down A to Up frame buffer part. I don't understand that at all >_<

Now the vine clip I can sort of help with. I too had a HUGE problem with doing it. You're going to have to pause buffer if you want it the easiest way. I did, and it took about 9 tries but I finally got it. Sometimes I don't pause fast enough, or pause too early which ruins it. What you do is, when the skulltula's leg is in c left (c right mabye I forgot I was just so excited to have it right) Press Down+A when you unpause. Then pause after a frame, continue holding down. Pause after another frame, hold up. You should clip through the vines, and fall into water. Hope that helped.

Hi I'm new here and I wondering it anyone could help me out with the Tektite Hover to the Fishing Pond?

crimsonshadows wrote

Hi I'm new here and I wondering it anyone could help me out with the Tektite Hover to the Fishing Pond?

Honestly, the best thing to do is just not to even try.  It's the hardest trick in the game and only 2 or 3 people have ever pulled it off on console.  Sorry to discourage you, but its not something you should focus on unless you want to get the world record.  If you're trying to learn any%, I suggest using the new navi dive forest escape, getting a bean in zora's river and planting it in lake hylia while getting ruto's bottle.

Ah ok and thanks anyways plus the only thing I can't get right for it is the sidehop timing.

Is there any way to get into the fire temple as a child without bombchu hovering? I've got the megaflip down but bombchu hovering is a big no no for me.

I don't know of an alternate way. I find this method to be very easy though and suggest you try it, even though it is bombchu hovering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xofjG9ar0M

Exodus122 wrote

I don't know of an alternate way. I find this method to be very easy though and suggest you try it, even though it is bombchu hovering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xofjG9ar0M

thank you! I will try that. The problem I have with bombchu hovering is using the slingshot, so this would definitely be easier.

Can anyone help me with killing KD in low% MST, I've managed to hover near his head a few times but I can never get the bombchu to go into his mouth afterwards.

D U F I wrote

Can anyone help me with killing KD in low% MST, I've managed to hover near his head a few times but I can never get the bombchu to go into his mouth afterwards.

The window where the hitbox for his mouth is low enough for you to get the chu in is only a few frames. The most key part of it I've found is when you pull out the first chu. Positioning or exactly how close you are to him doesn't matter too much (just make sure you're not really far from him or way off to the side). Since it's your first time it'd probably be best to pause buffer the hover, backflip, and pulling out the second chu. You should get a good idea on timing from this video http://www.youtube.com/user/Elminster219#p/u/5/11-fNPcMrGs

I've been buffering everything apart from pulling the chu out and it isn't working for me, thanks for your reply and i'll try and i'll keep trying until i find the right frame.

I have some questions that would take a long time to research so I'd appreciate answers :)!

Are there any negative effects from clearing Forest Temple, Water Temple and Shadow Temple as a child? I heard someone say it'd freeze your game and I don't need that.

Are there any negative effects from clearing Deku Tree and Dodongo Cavern as an adult?

If I were to collect the spiritual stones as an adult, when would the OoT/Ganondorf cutscene initiate? Would I be able to leave town if I traveled back? (since the gate is shut from the outside)

If you step into the blue warp for beating forest or shadow as child then it will freeze during the medallion cutscene, but you can do everything else in the dungeon, including beating the bosses (just savewarp out to avoid the blue warp), without any negative effects.  You can step into the blue warp for water without freezing though.

Nothing bad about Deku/DC as adult.

With the ganondorf/OoT cutscene ready to activate, you can leave the market and you'll fall in the river.  The cutscene wont activate until you get on land where the cutscene would start as usual.  There's also something fun you can do if you haven't gotten zelda's lullaby yet: if you get the lullaby after all 3 stones, when impa takes you out to hyrule field the colors will be distorted which looks pretty cool, and the escape cutscene activates as soon as the impa cutscene ends.