WW Tricks and Glitches Discussion

Razor wrote

and we figure out how to get to Ganondorf without the hookshot

Good luck.

Does anybody tested to fly over the electric ray to skip Darknuts fight in MS room yet? Come on gentlemen, I haven't time to test (and no way to play TWW for now).

Razor wrote

I know most everyone is against this, but we should find a way to get to Ganon's castle after first getting the MS. I working on the trial skips and believe I'm getting closer to clipping through the doors to get OoB. Once that's out of the way-- and we figure out how to get to Ganondorf without the hookshot; got a good method in mind for this one-- we'd skip:

I still prefer the grandma to final Ganon break theory... Razor, before even thinking about that we must continue to find tricks here and there. That's the way it went for OOT, MM, TP etc... because it helps to find new stuff and all of thoses heavy glitches. Even if TWW seems way more unbreakable than the others since codes doesn't led us realy far, we can still hope to find a way to use the game's dynamics at our advantage.



Oh, and I was just wondering: does anybody even get an idea of how we could avoid activating map or text loading triggers like with the map glitch in TP?

Majora MIM wrote

Does anybody tested to fly over the electric ray to skip Darknuts fight in MS room yet? Come on gentlemen, I haven't time to test (and no way to play TWW for now).

I still prefer the grandma to final Ganon break theory... Razor, before even thinking about that we must continue to find tricks here and there. That's the way it went for OOT, MM, TP etc... because it helps to find new stuff and all of thoses heavy glitches. Even if TWW seems way more unbreakable than the others since codes doesn't led us realy far, we can still hope to find a way to use the game's dynamics at our advantage.



Oh, and I was just wondering: does anybody even get an idea of how we could avoid activating map or text loading triggers like with the map glitch in TP?

I've tried a lot of ways to interrupt the warp. It just doesn't seem to have ANY window for input, queued up or not, in between the song and the warp

Razor, you're such an asshole lol

BROS LOOK, I THINK I FOUND A TRICK, BUT I WON'T EXPLAIN IT TILL IT WORKS

Majora MIM wrote

I still prefer the grandma to final Ganon break theory... Razor, before even thinking about that we must continue to find tricks here and there. That's the way it went for OOT, MM, TP etc... because it helps to find new stuff and all of thoses heavy glitches. Even if TWW seems way more unbreakable than the others since codes doesn't led us realy far, we can still hope to find a way to use the game's dynamics at our advantage.



Oh, and I was just wondering: does anybody even get an idea of how we could avoid activating map or text loading triggers like with the map glitch in TP?

All I'm working on is the little tricks, but it seems that I'm on my own for most of it. I've tried to use all kinds of texts/timers to get map glitch, I think the timing may have to be a bit too percise.

Siglemic wrote

Razor, you're such an asshole lol

BROS LOOK, I THINK I FOUND A TRICK, BUT I WON'T EXPLAIN IT TILL IT WORKS

Way to be a bitch. You're just like the people who think Runnerguy's no good.

Razor wrote

Way to be a bitch. You're just like the people who think Runnerguy's no good.

Say what now?

AniMeowzerz wrote

Say what now?

It makes sense. Shut up.

EDIT:

Okay, so I was messing around in ET and I think it may be possible to get BK skip. What I did was get to the boss door and went right of the stairs just before it to a small ledge. I placed Medli on the edge of the ledge and grabbed the edge with a backflip and Deku Leaf to clip through the wall (it's not actually the wall; just a small area connected to the wall). Anyway I dropped down to the lower level and grabbed onto the ledge, staying within the small area and Link started jittering constantly between holding onto the ledge the right way and holding onto the ledge in a way that put him in the main wall (kinda hard to explain), but it wouldn't allow me to drop down or climb up anyway other than the right way. I don't know what to make of that because I've never seen it before, but maybe it's possible to get into the wall and round to the boss.

I have strong doubts about this working as I want, but I figured I'd share it anyway.

EDIT:

Found another way to get outside HK room without SH (doesn't require GH), not that it matters...

Also, I wonder if a WW dive from outside FF2, used to skip the KoRL talking, could be a time-saver. It looks like it.

Phazon wrote

EDIT:

Okay, so I was messing around in ET and I think it may be possible to get BK skip. What I did was get to the boss door and went right of the stairs just before it to a small ledge. I placed Medli on the edge of the ledge and grabbed the edge with a backflip and Deku Leaf to clip through the wall (it's not actually the wall; just a small area connected to the wall). Anyway I dropped down to the lower level and grabbed onto the ledge, staying within the small area and Link started jittering constantly between holding onto the ledge the right way and holding onto the ledge in a way that put him in the main wall (kinda hard to explain), but it wouldn't allow me to drop down or climb up anyway other than the right way. I don't know what to make of that because I've never seen it before, but maybe it's possible to get into the wall and round to the boss.

I have strong doubts about this working as I want, but I figured I'd share it anyway.

EDIT:

Found another way to get outside HK room without SH (doesn't require GH), not that it matters...

Also, I wonder if a WW dive from outside FF2, used to skip the KoRL talking, could be a time-saver. It looks like it.

Sounds like a good idea with the BK skip. It seems more likely to happen to work because boss doors are portal like doors, meaing that when link opens then they have a black fade out. This is compared to most normal dungeon doors--which I'll call instant doors-- where when link opens them you can instantly see the loaded room during the door opening animation. You should make a video of it so that we can help you out.

Phazon wrote

Okay, so I was messing around in ET and I think it may be possible to get BK skip. What I did was get to the boss door and went right of the stairs just before it to a small ledge. I placed Medli on the edge of the ledge and grabbed the edge with a backflip and Deku Leaf to clip through the wall (it's not actually the wall; just a small area connected to the wall). Anyway I dropped down to the lower level and grabbed onto the ledge, staying within the small area and Link started jittering constantly between holding onto the ledge the right way and holding onto the ledge in a way that put him in the main wall (kinda hard to explain), but it wouldn't allow me to drop down or climb up anyway other than the right way. I don't know what to make of that because I've never seen it before, but maybe it's possible to get into the wall and round to the boss.

I have strong doubts about this working as I want, but I figured I'd share it anyway.

If you mean using Medli and climbing across the edge of a ledge to clip into one of the pillars, there's a wall behind there. We've tried EVERYTHING.

Phazon wrote

It makes sense. Shut up.

EDIT:

Okay, so I was messing around in ET and I think it may be possible to get BK skip. What I did was get to the boss door and went right of the stairs just before it to a small ledge. I placed Medli on the edge of the ledge and grabbed the edge with a backflip and Deku Leaf to clip through the wall (it's not actually the wall; just a small area connected to the wall). Anyway I dropped down to the lower level and grabbed onto the ledge, staying within the small area and Link started jittering constantly between holding onto the ledge the right way and holding onto the ledge in a way that put him in the main wall (kinda hard to explain), but it wouldn't allow me to drop down or climb up anyway other than the right way. I don't know what to make of that because I've never seen it before, but maybe it's possible to get into the wall and round to the boss.

I have strong doubts about this working as I want, but I figured I'd share it anyway.

EDIT:

Found another way to get outside HK room without SH (doesn't require GH), not that it matters...

Also, I wonder if a WW dive from outside FF2, used to skip the KoRL talking, could be a time-saver. It looks like it.

The FF2 dive is old, and so is the vine climbing

Can you please explain the H-Roc thing better?

KlydeStorm wrote

If you mean using Medli and climbing across the edge of a ledge to clip into one of the pillars, there's a wall behind there. We've tried EVERYTHING.

Yeah that is what I meant, but it was the jittering that interested me the most.

@Cerpin - Get to the SH blockages before the sidle ledges of FF2. Deku leaf to the area with a broken ladder and a full ladder and grab the broken one in mid-air, then you just carry on to get outside the HK room. It's useless. Also, what vine thing?

Phazon wrote

Yeah that is what I meant, but it was the jittering that interested me the most.

@Cerpin - Get to the SH blockages before the sidle ledges of FF2. Deku leaf to the area with a broken ladder and a full ladder and grab the broken one in mid-air, then you just carry on to get outside the HK room. It's useless. Also, what vine thing?

Cerpin means the Medli clip/boss key skip thing.

For what it's worth, I got an arrow upgrade without SH. HOWEVER, it's totally useless, because you need Hookshot to do it. Here's what you do:

Put a bomb on the opposite side of the entrance.
Get your Hookshot out and aim at the postbox or tree, from behind the bomb.
Just before the bomb explodes, release the hookshot and slide sideways as you do it.
If you timed it right you will be in the island, but on your Hookshot, however the bomb will knock you off the Hookshot target and into the island.

I didn't word this too well, I feel. :/

EDIT:

If you try and leave, the flames knock you back in. You can savewarp out, obviously, but idk. I found it a little funny.

Phazon wrote

For what it's worth, I got an arrow upgrade without SH. HOWEVER, it's totally useless, because you need Hookshot to do it. Here's what you do:

Put a bomb on the opposite side of the entrance.
Get your Hookshot out and aim at the postbox or tree, from behind the bomb.
Just before the bomb explodes, release the hookshot and slide sideways as you do it.
If you timed it right you will be in the island, but on your Hookshot, however the bomb will knock you off the Hookshot target and into the island.

I didn't word this too well, I feel. :/

EDIT:

If you try and leave, the flames knock you back in. You can savewarp out, obviously, but idk. I found it a little funny.

Brilliant. Now if we can only find a way around having to use the hookshot. And what does SH stand for?

SH = Skull Hammer. And I don't think it can work without Hookshot, because without it, I don't see how you can get into the island in the first place.

EDIT:

@Majora MIM - It's not actually an electric barrier. It's a ring of fire, not that it really matters. Anyway there's an invisible wall, which I expected anyway.

Phazon wrote

@Majora MIM - It's not actually an electric barrier. It's a ring of fire, not that it really matters. Anyway there's an invisible wall, which I expected anyway.

I'm not talking of that ring of fire, but of the electric barrier of the great hall exit.

You said the MS room. And if you're talking about when you first get the MS, then there are invisible walls there too.

Phazon wrote

You said the MS room. And if you're talking about when you first get the MS, then there are invisible walls there too.

Aaaaah! I would love to speak english a bit better...
I'm talking about the electric barrier of the exit that lead to the hyrule field, in the hall where you have the triforce puzzle.
I want to skip the "darknut fight in the MS room" not the darknut fight "in the MS room".

Majora MIM wrote

Aaaaah! I would love to speak english a bit better...
I'm talking about the electric barrier of the exit that lead to the hyrule field, in the hall where you have the triforce puzzle.
I want to skip the "darknut fight in the MS room" not the darknut fight "in the MS room".

I understood what you were saying just fine, but there's still probably an invisible wall there.

Majora MIM wrote

Aaaaah! I would love to speak english a bit better...
I'm talking about the electric barrier of the exit that lead to the hyrule field, in the hall where you have the triforce puzzle.
I want to skip the "darknut fight in the MS room" not the darknut fight "in the MS room".

Well there is a Darknut fight in the MS room at the end of the game, so you confused me. I do know what you mean and there are invisible walls stopping you from leaving.

Phazon wrote

Well there is a Darknut fight in the MS room at the end of the game, so you confused me. I do know what you mean and there are invisible walls stopping you from leaving.

Okay, I'll try to explain. After collecting all the triforce shards when you return to hyrule castle, and walk into it there are blue electric barriers keeping you from leaving without battling the darknuts. What MajoraMIM is suggesting is that we dekun leaf over those electric barriers to skip having to fight the darknuts. Not going into the MS room at all here.

Phazon wrote

For what it's worth, I got an arrow upgrade without SH. HOWEVER, it's totally useless, because you need Hookshot to do it. Here's what you do:

Put a bomb on the opposite side of the entrance.
Get your Hookshot out and aim at the postbox or tree, from behind the bomb.
Just before the bomb explodes, release the hookshot and slide sideways as you do it.
If you timed it right you will be in the island, but on your Hookshot, however the bomb will knock you off the Hookshot target and into the island.

I didn't word this too well, I feel. :/

EDIT:

If you try and leave, the flames knock you back in. You can savewarp out, obviously, but idk. I found it a little funny.

Video.

I want to know what you did and this post isn't helping :(

Phazon wrote

Yeah that is what I meant, but it was the jittering that interested me the most.

@Cerpin - Get to the SH blockages before the sidle ledges of FF2. Deku leaf to the area with a broken ladder and a full ladder and grab the broken one in mid-air, then you just carry on to get outside the HK room. It's useless. Also, what vine thing?

Can you get on the IRC so we can explain all of this to each other without me going through so much typing and posting? ^^;

The electric barriers in the main room of Hyrule Castle have invisible walls over them.

I'd love to make a video. It's been over a month since I ordered a new DVD-recorder and I'm STILL waiting for it to arrive. I'll try and get in the IRC some time today anyway.

EDIT:

Thanks for the explanation, Razor.

EDIT:

Well fuck. I just found the problem, and apparently I could be looking at an additional two months, before my DVD-recorder gets here... Very annoying since there is a considerable amount of stuff I want to record.

Phazon wrote

I'd love to make a video. It's been over a month since I ordered a new DVD-recorder and I'm STILL waiting for it to arrive. I'll try and get in the IRC some time today anyway.

EDIT:

Thanks for the explanation, Razor.

EDIT:

Well fuck. I just found the problem, and apparently I could be looking at an additional two months, before my DVD-recorder gets here... Very annoying since there is a considerable amount of stuff I want to record.

Your welcome, and I hope you get your DVD-recorder soon. I'd like to see some new videos from you. ;D

Thanks Razor.

@Cerpin - I can't get on IRC. AVG stops me for whatever reason.

Okay, some new weird glitch.

I entered the GFI cutscene while in the water RIGHT as Link drowned (though he didn't show any signs of actually drowning, it's probably a 1 frame window), and the air globe stayed up during the entire cutscene, and even after the cutscene.

Getting in the water makes it fill, but the moment you leave the water, it drains and the empty globe is back.
Drowning without dying removes the globe.

Dying on land and continuing removes the globe.
Save and Quit removes the globe.
Going into a building removes the globe.
Getting on your boat does not remove the globe.
Going in shallow water fills your globe and doesn't drain it, but the moment you leave the shallow water it starts to drain again.

That's all that was tested so far.


Edit: Also, this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBI1HFFd-Q

EditEdit: Oh my god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he6p1lVKPSE

KlydeStorm wrote

Oh, that's fucking it, I'm gonna fill that list, just you wait.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not the day after tomorrow, maybe not even this decade, but I'll fucking fill that list, count on it.

we now have hovering in wind waker. works anywhere as long as you can
1. jumpslash
2. get knocked down by damage

so far its surprisingly useless??? you can enter loading zones. if you grab a heart you can stop hovering and keep going. you can throw boomerang in a hover. Also you can use the tingle tuner to end a hover and heal at any time! pretty cool, wish I had a GBA to try out some crazier sequence break ideas.

some failed ideas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcJrkyg8YHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa6u9GRixyQ

Klyde. Just. Fucking. Awesome.

If you enter an area such as GC, ToG or anything like that with that technique, will you die, and remain at that place? If that is the case then you just broke this bastard of a game. It also makes early Ganon's castle possible, which is somewhat bewildering, because Razor predicted this.

I've just got to play around with this.

EDIT:

Just saw Cosmo's vid.

I'm gunna play through WW today trying to find as many places as possible to use this.