Since it is a loaded and already usable exit way, I don't think there will be an invisible wall above the electric lasers. It should work like in tower of gods. But I trust more in the deku leaf method than the bomb boost.
Get behind the Hyrule repulsive barrier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfqTH1ZrW0g
I saw that trick in an old video on yt but I haven't been able to find it again.
Unfortunately it seems there's no way to go through the invisible wall.
Even if we could go through it would be completely useless because without trails skip we need Mirror Shield and Hookshot and the only way to get back there is to get the Triforce peices after getting them. But then if trails skip worked, how do we get to Ganondorf without Hookshot and how do we beat him without Mirror Shield? I assume you need the Mirror Shield to reflect the light arrow on him.
Last edited 05 Jun 2010, 19:09 by Marcus.
Even if we could go through it would be completely useless because without trails skip we need Mirror Shield and Hookshot and the only way to get back there is to get the Triforce peices after getting them. But then if trails skip worked, how do we get to Ganondorf without Hookshot and how do we beat him without Mirror Shield? I assume you need the Mirror Shield to reflect the light arrow on him.
Haven't done much with the trial skips resently. I don't think that it matters what shield you have for reflecting the light arrows, but getting to Ganondorf without the hookshot is an obstacle I've tried to get around, but haven't had any luck with.
Well, something that might help with hookshot skip, and be an awesome break in it's own right, would be fire arrowing the blue pot either during the Puppet Ganon fight or afterwards...
Well, something that might help with hookshot skip, and be an awesome break in it's own right, would be fire arrowing the blue pot either during the Puppet Ganon fight or afterwards...
I've been working on this too, but it's an almost impossible angle. I'll keep trying. However, even if this does happen, we'd still need to find a way around using the hookshot to get to Ganondorf.
Well, a number (1 is a number) of small tricks have been found recently from looking for huge breaks. It's a gain in the end...
Well, something that might help with hookshot skip, and be an awesome break in it's own right, would be fire arrowing the blue pot either during the Puppet Ganon fight or afterwards...
I tested this a long time ago. The precision needed to burn open a cauldron from point blank is ridiculous and the cauldron itself is high up in the room, bang in the middle of that big platform, so getting the angle won't happen and the hit-box of the fire arrow is way too small to make it anywhere near the top of the cauldron. It's impossible without finding some way to gain extra height in that room.
Heart Container Text Skip (minus Gohma and Helmaroc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiH86Dke5rE
Confirmed to work on Kalle Demos and Molgera. It should work the same for Jalhalla and Gohdan, though the latter already has an easier method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiH86Dke5rE
Confirmed to work on Kalle Demos and Molgera. It should work the same for Jalhalla and Gohdan, though the latter already has an easier method.
Last edited 13 Oct 2010, 05:35 by KlydeStorm.
Even if we could go through it would be completely useless because without trails skip we need Mirror Shield and Hookshot and the only way to get back there is to get the Triforce peices after getting them. But then if trails skip worked, how do we get to Ganondorf without Hookshot and how do we beat him without Mirror Shield? I assume you need the Mirror Shield to reflect the light arrow on him.
Get in the trial's boss fight change your equipement, so I hoped it could give us mirror shield and hookshot. Does somebody tested how the trials can modify your equipement if it is not complete yet with AR?
^ Interesting point.
Found a WW-dive spot outside FF, but you stay on the surface. I don't know if that'll always happen; I don't know much about WW-diving. Thought it was worth mentioning anyway.
EDIT:
Found another one. Same result.
Found a WW-dive spot outside FF, but you stay on the surface. I don't know if that'll always happen; I don't know much about WW-diving. Thought it was worth mentioning anyway.
EDIT:
Found another one. Same result.
Last edited 06 Jun 2010, 10:52 by Phazon.
Do the bottle trick while giving the fairy to grandma. => freeze
I don't think that it matters what shield you have for reflecting the light arrows
I wouldn't be surprised if you need fully restored Master Sword to beat him.
Last edited 06 Jun 2010, 12:24 by Marcus.
I already tested if the Trials actually gives you the equipment you need.
It doesn't.
It doesn't.
I wouldn't be surprised if you need fully restored Master Sword to beat him.
Neither would I. That's where EPMS would be the choice over the repulsive barrier skip. It kind of makes sense that the trials don't give you the proper items--hookshot & mirror shield--. Probably because the trials don't give you items. They simply take items out of your inventory that you didn't have--excluding MS-- when battling that boss.
EDIT:
Tried to use MrSparkle's door clip method on the trial doors in Ganon's Tower. Can't get it to work.
Last edited 08 Jun 2010, 19:31 by Razor.
Found a random & seemingly useless glitch today while messing around with the forest water timer. If you get on Beetle's shop ship and wait for the timer to get down to approximately 5 seconds, then place a bomb; when it is about to explode the timer will pause it. Then when you press 'A' for the text to go away and shield--if you're in the right position-- then bomb will explode with multiple explosions--about 20--. I'll try it on normal ground. Too bad my camera wasn't on when it happened. :'(
Oh, I totally forgot to mention, but you can override the Call command when you're near Medli (or Makar, but he's terrible).
When you're in the radius for Call, you pull out the Wind Waker, hold R, then cancel it. Link will pull out his shield like normal, allowing you to shine light freely. I assume it makes the one method of doing the Mirror Room in Earth Temple a hella lot easier.
I never got around to making a video for it before my computer finally decided to not let me play WW anymore, sorry.
When you're in the radius for Call, you pull out the Wind Waker, hold R, then cancel it. Link will pull out his shield like normal, allowing you to shine light freely. I assume it makes the one method of doing the Mirror Room in Earth Temple a hella lot easier.
I never got around to making a video for it before my computer finally decided to not let me play WW anymore, sorry.
I never got around to making a video for it before my computer finally decided to not let me play WW anymore, sorry.
Do you ever play WW on a consol?
Interesting news. A Deku Stick DOES hurt PG. I found a way around the SH-blockages and took a Deku Stick into the fight and I was able to damage him with it. He took a lot of hits with it though and knocked me into the water, causing me to lose the stick, so I don't know if he can be beat with it or not. He was definitely taking hits though, as if I was hitting him with the MS. Something strange is that only spin-attacks will hurt him and nothing else. It occurred to me that if I had the regular sword instead of the MS and I tried spin-attacking PG, then it might not do anything, but I can't test that.
I'll keep trying and edit if I beat him with a Deku Stick.
EDIT:
He died.
I'll keep trying and edit if I beat him with a Deku Stick.
EDIT:
He died.
Last edited 11 Jun 2010, 12:01 by Phazon.
Do you ever play WW on a consol?
Yes, but for numerous reasons, I use emulator.
1: Savestates allow for testing things a LOT easier.
2: I cannot record on console.
3: If I were to want to test theories with cheats, I'd have to set up my AR every time.
Interesting news. A Deku Stick DOES hurt PG. I found a way around the SH-blockages and took a Deku Stick into the fight and I was able to damage him with it. He took a lot of hits with it though and knocked me into the water, causing me to lose the stick, so I don't know if he can be beat with it or not. He was definitely taking hits though, as if I was hitting him with the MS. Something strange is that only spin-attacks will hurt him and nothing else. It occurred to me that if I had the regular sword instead of the MS and I tried spin-attacking PG, then it might not do anything, but I can't test that.
I'll keep trying and edit if I beat him with a Deku Stick.
EDIT:
He died.
Good fucking shit! Klyde, we're back on track.
^ Interesting point.
Found a WW-dive spot outside FF, but you stay on the surface. I don't know if that'll always happen; I don't know much about WW-diving. Thought it was worth mentioning anyway.
EDIT:
Found another one. Same result.
We already know how to WW dive into FF2. The reason it was on the surface is because you stayed under too long.
Interesting news. A Deku Stick DOES hurt PG. I found a way around the SH-blockages and took a Deku Stick into the fight and I was able to damage him with it. He took a lot of hits with it though and knocked me into the water, causing me to lose the stick, so I don't know if he can be beat with it or not. He was definitely taking hits though, as if I was hitting him with the MS. Something strange is that only spin-attacks will hurt him and nothing else. It occurred to me that if I had the regular sword instead of the MS and I tried spin-attacking PG, then it might not do anything, but I can't test that.
I'll keep trying and edit if I beat him with a Deku Stick.
EDIT:
He died.
Interesting. Proves what I said about testing things in multiple ways before saying that they don't work. Still trying to duplicate my results of multiple bomb explosion.
We already know how to WW dive into FF2. The reason it was on the surface is because you stayed under too long.
Alright, I wasn't sure if everyone knew or not. I'm never in IRC, which is where I'm guessing most discussions take place. I know that about WW diving now, but thanks anyway.
I still have strong suspicions that without MS, a Deku Stick won't hurt PG. It's really only because a spin-attack is the only way to damage him. You can see the hitbox of a spin-attack when you do it, which always looks the same no matter what weapon you're using, and I think that the hitbox of a spin-attack always checks the in-game variables to see what your primary weapon is. Then again, if that were true, it wouldn't take so long to beat PG. I dunno.
EDIT:
I guess I'll try and find a way to get to FF2 early. Does anyone know how far into the game you need to be for KoRL to stop you entering the FF quadrant?
Last edited 11 Jun 2010, 17:19 by Phazon.
Don't bother finding a way to FF2 early, I just tested it, and killing Phantom Ganon with the Deku Stick is a bust. WW shit on us again. If you have the Hero's Sword, Deku Stick attacks (all of them) do nothing. It's dependent on your sword. You still need the Master Sword.
Don't bother finding a way to FF2 early, I just tested it, and killing Phantom Ganon with the Deku Stick is a bust. WW shit on us again. If you have the Hero's Sword, Deku Stick attacks (all of them) do nothing. It's dependent on your sword. You still need the Master Sword.
Looks like we need a way aroung FF2.
Or a way around the stupid-high PG trigger. Though that would mean there are still a lot more SH-related problems that would need to be resolved.
Looks like we need a way aroung FF2.
Or a way around the stupid-high PG trigger. Though that would mean there are still a lot more SH-related problems that would need to be resolved.
We have a way to somewhat get around the trigger already. Cerpin found out that we can get all the way to the top, and swing on the Grappling Hook point to stay up top after the PG scene triggers.
Unfortunately, we're at an EXTREME dead-end without Skull Hammer.
List of fuck-yous:
-Complete Earth Temple without Skull Hammer
-Get into Wind Temple without Skull Hammer
-Start Helmaroc Phase 2 without Skull Hammer
-Get any Quiver upgrade without Skull Hammer (we need one if we skip the bow in ToG, or we can't fire arrows)
-Escape Mother & Child without Ballad of Gales
-After we escape M&C, find a way to get our boat the fuck outta there
Last edited 11 Jun 2010, 20:19 by KlydeStorm.
We can get round the PG trigger
Or a way around the stupid-high PG trigger. Though that would mean there are still a lot more SH-related problems that would need to be resolved.
It's useless because you need the hammer unless you went straight to Hyrule from FF2 and magically got a quiver
We have a way to somewhat get around the trigger already. Cerpin found out that we can get all the way to the top, and swing on the Grappling Hook point to stay up top after the PG scene triggers.
Unfortunately, we're at an EXTREME dead-end without Skull Hammer.
List of fuck-yous:
-Complete Earth Temple without Skull Hammer
-Get into Wind Temple without Skull Hammer
-Start Helmaroc Phase 2 without Skull Hammer
-Get any Quiver upgrade without Skull Hammer (we need one if we skip the bow in ToG, or we can't fire arrows)
-Escape Mother & Child without Ballad of Gales
-After we escape M&C, find a way to get our boat the fuck outta there
I know most everyone is against this, but we should find a way to get to Ganon's castle after first getting the MS. I working on the trial skips and believe I'm getting closer to clipping through the doors to get OoB. Once that's out of the way-- and we figure out how to get to Ganondorf without the hookshot; got a good method in mind for this one-- we'd skip:
-Items
1. Skull Hammer
2. Fire/Ice Arrows
3. Mirror Shield
4. Hookshot
5. Triforce Charts/Shards
-Dungeons & Bosses
1. FF2: Phantom Ganon & Helmorac King
2. Earth Temple: Jalhalla
3. Wind Temple: Molgera
4. Most of GT: Puppet Ganon... etc.