SS: Trick Research & Discovery

JRD05 wrote

When the game took you back to Skyloft after falling, did that particular dialogue with Fi still activate when you tried to pass through the trigger zone(s)?  I just started Hero mode and I have been trying to figure out a way to get around the trigger, since it is kind of long.  Not sure whether or not this is what happened when you performed the glitch, but it could be faster if the falling from the sky cutscene is shorter than the Fi conversation.  Though now that I think about it, it's probably not.

In what I found, Fi still talks to Link, he just keeps falling until he lands on an invisible floor, so the dialogue would have been triggered anyways. It is possible to jump over the railing using my method without crossing the trigger on foot and wihout landing on the railing(which activates the dialogue as well), but I doubt that will get rid of the trigger. And even if it did, I still think listening to the dialogue would be faster. I can't really test this anymore seeing as I saved past that point to look for glitches a bit further on, so maybe you can try it out.

Here's something to test. Try to Fi Dive into lava. Lava only hurts you on the surface. If Fi Dive made you fall through lava, you could potential get under it and be able to walk around. From there, you can use the clawshot to get back out. (See Eldin Triforce Room in Skykeep). Worth a try.

TestRunner wrote

Here's something to test. Try to Fi Dive into lava. Lava only hurts you on the surface. If Fi Dive made you fall through lava, you could potential get under it and be able to walk around. From there, you can use the clawshot to get back out. (See Eldin Triforce Room in Skykeep). Worth a try.

Man, the programmers certainly did a good job on trying to prevent this glitch...
I fiddled around for a while with this, and it looks like the only ledges that you can get close enough to execute the glitch are ledges that don't hurt you after you jump off(ledges high enough that the lava won't hurt you). I can't seem to get the glitch to work at all though, so maybe somebody with actual skills at this game should try this. I'll keep trying, but I think I'm missing the point on how to do the dive.

Aww... It'll never work. The same thing happens like it does skyloft, and not only that, but there's no invisible floor below the lava, or at least, not under where I clawshot vine clipped through the wall. And I thought we were onto something.

EDIT: I tried even more, and I found out that you might be able to do it anywhere, if you go at a bit of an angle towards an edge very slowly so that when you press down on the d-pad, it will show either the wall that you're against or what's past that wall. Only problem is, Fi Diving doesn't move you through lava.

Has anyone else though that it might be possible to enter sky keep early using vineclipping? I know the entrance doesn't pop up until later but, maybe the entrance is still inside the floating island. I'm assuming Link just falls through the island if he vineclips anyways, but has anyone tried it?

Weegeechan wrote

Has anyone else though that it might be possible to enter sky keep early using vineclipping? I know the entrance doesn't pop up until later but, maybe the entrance is still inside the floating island. I'm assuming Link just falls through the island if he vineclips anyways, but has anyone tried it?

Just tried it, and yeah, it looks as though the entrance isn't there until you open it up.

Hornlitz wrote

Just tried it, and yeah, it looks as though the entrance isn't there until you open it up.

Thanks for testing that! That's a shame the entrance isn't present though :(

http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=905.msg15122#msg15122

Fi Diving. Please read the entire topic. I wonder if dying above lava and having a fairy revive you would do anything. Probably same result.

Abahbob wrote

http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=905.msg15122#msg15122

Fi Diving. Please read the entire topic. I wonder if dying above lava and having a fairy revive you would do anything. Probably same result.

It wouldn't work, seeing as it plays the animation of hitting lava regardless of your health. Also, faeries don't activate cutscenes in this game. They heal you the second you run out of health.

What would happen if you Fi Dived into that hole where the Mogmas live?
I would try it myself, (which I just tried) but I cant even get Fi Diving to work :/

Weegeechan wrote

What would happen if you Fi Dived into that hole where the Mogmas live?
I would try it myself, (which I just tried) but I cant even get Fi Diving to work :/

You have to be very close to a wall on your right side, so that when you take a bomb out, the wall pushes you off. Make sure you press down on the d-pad though before you fall off. It took me a while to figure out.

But I just tried it and it would appear as though it can't be done there thanks to the way the wall is angled.

Damn :/ Fi Dive would be a lot more useful if it didn't require Link to be standing next to something

Nintendo has learned I guess. So did anyone try it in lava at multiple places?

The only place I managed to get it to work was in the Earth Temple right after you get the bombs, but I'm sure the dive will work elsewhere. I haven't tried yet, but I will tomorrow.

Where else could the Fi Dive be useful?

I just uploaded this video. Nothing really special but be sure to test it out yourself to see if you get anything out it!
http://youtu.be/-7jmYccBnWw

Wow, those are some nice glitches :D Does that clawshot one work anywhere?

(btw why is there no skyloft section in area tricks and strategies?)

Alright, I tried the Fi Dive in a bunch of places, and nothing worked. I thought that the sand might work, but I can't seem to find any place to do it there. Looks like the Fi Dive is completely useless :(
As for the clawshot through the floor glitch, I tried doing it based off of what I saw on the video, and I couldn't get it to work, but I could just be doing it wrong. But the only use I see for this glitch would be to clawshot onto some vines from behind, but I presume that would either just clip you back out, or give you the same effect as vine clipping.

I think you guys are misunderstanding the clawshot part. All the clawshot was for was to demonstrate there is a small crack in the floor there.

I just realized that when re-watching the video.
So yeah, this won't work elsewhere.

Yeah I just shower there is crack on floor, nothing else. I was hoping if we could get oob in AC with that crack but it doesn't seems to happen what I have tested so far. Someone else should try it out too!

I'll try it when I have time, so in about 7-8 hours.

Naw, i couldn't find anything with that. I thought it might work if we Fi Dive at just the roght spot, but that would take insane luck to find the perfect angle, so...

I tried this other day too and I got Fi dive to work here. Bomb actually pushed me when bomb was rolling down stairs. Still Link will just make little jump and doesn't fall through of that crack. So disappointing :(

Hey everyone brand new here! and would like to tell you that eventually I will have the WR speed run for this game!

but I need to start somewhere.

so I thought I'll ask the obvious.

is walking faster than side-skipping or back flipping?

Dashing is currently the fastest method of movement so far. :)

I hope someone finds a glitch for infinite stamina, that would make the game a lot faster :P

You misunderstood, I'm asking about WALKING, not dashing, being faster than side skipping or back dashing or flipping

Backwalking is incredibly slow, but I dunno about side hopping. But dashing is faster than all 3, so..

I understood the question, its just, Dashing is the fastest method so.....what would be the point in finding out if side hopping is faster than walking. Dashing is the fastest of all of those anyways.

Weegeechan wrote

I understood the question, its just, Dashing is the fastest method so.....what would be the point in finding out if side hopping is faster than walking. Dashing is the fastest of all of those anyways.

There are times that you run out of stamina so instead of walking to get stamina back I would side skip or back flip.