OoT / MQ - Question & Answer / Trick Help Thread

I know everyone knows about Bomb Hovers, but I found a very reliable way to pause buffer one. Obviously, this is only useful if you don't have a wall or the Hover Boots. This works the same way for both Child and Adult Link.

1. Stand completely still and pull out a bomb and wait until it turns red the 7th time. This includes the time right before the bomb starts blinking faster.
2. Advance frames until the bomb turns blue.
3. On the blue frame, hold R and down on the control stick.
4. Advance more frames until the bomb is at Link's feet. It should be red by this time (big and blue as Adult Link).
5. Backflip.

Video

Note that this one a frame of leeway sometimes. If you accidentally waited until the bomb was a frame below Link's feet and backflipped, it may work, but in some cases you'll get hurt by the explosion. Also, if you accidentally went to the 2nd frame the bomb was blue, wait until the bomb is one frame above Link's feet and backflip; it just might work.

I know other methods of hovering (sideflip bombchus, etc) are quicker, but this one has served me the best in many challenge runs, and I really don't like bombchu bowling.

EDIT: I'd also like some help on the gainer. Link always goes backwards even when I perform a backflip that isn't in Z-Target mode.

Kimimaru wrote

I know everyone knows about Bomb Hovers, but I found a very reliable way to pause buffer one. Obviously, this is only useful if you don't have a wall or the Hover Boots. This works the same way for both Child and Adult Link.

1. Stand completely still and pull out a bomb and wait until it turns red the 7th time. This includes the time right before the bomb starts blinking faster.
2. Advance frames until the bomb turns blue.
3. On the blue frame, hold R and down on the control stick.
4. Advance more frames until the bomb is at Link's feet. It should be red by this time (big and blue as Adult Link).
5. Backflip.

Video

Note that this one a frame of leeway sometimes. If you accidentally waited until the bomb was a frame below Link's feet and backflipped, it may work, but in some cases you'll get hurt by the explosion. Also, if you accidentally went to the 2nd frame the bomb was blue, wait until the bomb is one frame above Link's feet and backflip; it just might work.

I know other methods of hovering (sideflip bombchus, etc) are quicker, but this one has served me the best in many challenge runs, and I really don't like bombchu bowling.

EDIT: I'd also like some help on the gainer. Link always goes backwards even when I perform a backflip that isn't in Z-Target mode.

This has been known for a while, but this detailed description is really useful for anyone who doesn't know.

As for the gainer, you need to press Z and forward on the frame after you've released Z. That is, Z should only be un-pressed for 1 frame. It's a bit tricky to get the timing. It's also completely useless in OoT (and only marginally useful in MM), so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I'm new here, and I've just started TASing OOT and MM, but I cannot for the life of me do the Bomb Slide. I've tried for hours and the best I could achieve was activating a different glitch attempting this one. The TASVideos page is rather useless to me, so can somebody please explain how to do this?

Thanks

Hornlitz wrote

I'm new here, and I've just started TASing OOT and MM, but I cannot for the life of me do the Bomb Slide. I've tried for hours and the best I could achieve was activating a different glitch attempting this one. The TASVideos page is rather useless to me, so can somebody please explain how to do this?

Thanks

Sheild drop a bomb roll and then backflip and then wait until the second red flash of the 6th flash and then mash a until you get the superslide.

D U F I wrote

Sheild drop a bomb roll and then backflip and then wait until the second red flash of the 6th flash and then mash a until you get the superslide.

Finally got it! Thanks a lot!

And one more thing:

For the Super Backflip thing with the Superslide, does there need to be a couple seconds of waiting before the backflip can be done? I tried doing one kind of close to an edge, and link just fell off and grabbed the ledge no matter what combination I tried. Do I have to wait until the Action Icon starts changing?

Actually, I can't even get the Mega Flip at all... Again, the TASVideos page isn't helping me, and also a video I watched on Youtube didn't appear to explain it right...
So can someone help me again and explain this one?

Thanks again.

Are you playing on PAL? If not, you can try the common method. Backflip and immediately shield drop a bomb. Roll right when the bomb explodes, holding R, and hold back on the control stick and keep mashing A.

Hornlitz wrote

Actually, I can't even get the Mega Flip at all... Again, the TASVideos page isn't helping me, and also a video I watched on Youtube didn't appear to explain it right...
So can someone help me again and explain this one?

Thanks again.

You can get a distance megaflip by rolling 6 frames before the big blue flash and then holding back 3 frames before link's sheild gets hit and then pressing a 3 frames after.

I'm trying to learn to TAS oot but lots of things are going wrong. I have Mupen64-rr and a OoT rom but I don't know how to run a savestate/save what I do...etc...lol. Is there something someone can link me to to get started?

D U F I wrote

You can get a distance megaflip by rolling 6 frames before the big blue flash and then holding back 3 frames before link's sheild gets hit and then pressing a 3 frames after.

Thanks again! Works like a charm now!

Hi guys, i'm new to speedrunning OoT and I just have a couple of questions

1. Is there a video somewhere that explains how to do the BotW Skulltula vine clip?
2. Is it impossible/am i hitting start to fast for pause buffering(i'm using Project64) or is this just a known issue with the emulator? 
3. Am I better off going on the VC version?

Thanks heaps :D

Bellucian wrote

Hi guys, i'm new to speedrunning OoT and I just have a couple of questions

1. Is there a video somewhere that explains how to do the BotW Skulltula vine clip?
2. Is it impossible/am i hitting start to fast for pause buffering(i'm using Project64) or is this just a known issue with the emulator? 
3. Am I better off going on the VC version?

Thanks heaps :D

1. I find Link98's channel good: http://www.youtube.com/user/Link98OoT?ob=0
2. It's a known issue, but it's fixed in project64 1.7 I think. There mightbe some plugins you can use but I'm not shure.
3. Adarax handles fine on emulator but personally I couldn't run anything but 64 or VC

Sorry for doubleposting but I have a question of my own.

Could someone please describe the approximate time to press A with the new FW warp after stepping into a blue warp? I got it about 2 out of 5 times yesterday when just pressing randomly... I could research it on an emulator or something but it'd just take a lot of time so answers would be appreciated :)

it's when the screen starts fading to white. I believe you have a window of about a whole second.

No, it's blue warp dependent. Deku Tree portal has a huge window of opportunity, but dc/fire temple are frame perfect.

mzxrules wrote

No, it's blue warp dependent. Deku Tree portal has a huge window of opportunity, but dc/fire temple are frame perfect.

DC is frame perfect :o? But I got it 6 times out of 6 today without really trying. That can't be right...

There's no way DC is frame perfect, otherwise people wouldn't be getting it so consistently at the end of runs. Fire temple definitely is though. and I think theres a frame perfect window for DC if you've already seen the cutscene(though thats just something i think I saw sock do once on his stream).

Ok yes, I'm wrong about DC being frame perfect. I believe the first two child portals have a window of about 5 seconds, while all the adult portals are in fact frame perfect, with the Jabu portal being the only one that is impossible to wrong warp due to ruto.

Someone needs to make a rom hack to fix this >=D

I appear to need more help...
When getting the 37th heart piece, the fastest way would be to do a megaflip through the corner of the barrier. I've tried to do this many times with different angles, and nothing has worked. Is there an angle that really works that I've missed, or is it even possible without Nayru's Love?

EDIT: Lol nvm. I just didn't try the right angle. I finally got it now.

Any tips for MST fire temple boss key skip? I would like to be able to do it without hover boots, but I fall into the unloaded room with the fire barriers that shoot up.. every time.

Luke wrote

Any tips for MST fire temple boss key skip? I would like to be able to do it without hover boots, but I fall into the unloaded room with the fire barriers that shoot up.. every time.

You should be holding right as soon as you get the superslide - before you even clip. The jumpslash and hold forwards when the very lowest room is in the middle of the screen (assuming you're holding Z throughout)

Thanks a bunch

What prompts the Bombchu shop to start selling bombchus?

Probably after you have the bomb bag? And it opens at night. When you bought them all, no more will be sold there again so you will have to rely on the carpet merchant or try your luck at winning some from the bowling alley.

Jeville wrote

Probably after you have the bomb bag?

No, after you step into the DC blue warp.

Anybody else find out the angle for clipping back through DoT? Cuz I've done it twice now, and didn't want to double post in discovery topic.

Still working out finer points, but will have description and (shitty quality) video on the site soon if someone can confirm this is new.

SamusXLink wrote

Anybody else find out the angle for clipping back through DoT? Cuz I've done it twice now, and didn't want to double post in discovery topic.

Still working out finer points, but will have description and (shitty quality) video on the site soon if someone can confirm this is new.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEGrrmoWVAc&list=UUKLmmaHbmzDKEChfqAjXzOw&index=22&feature=plcp
^Is that what you are talking about?

I can't watch the vid atm; my parents blocked youtube cuz my little brother was derping around inappropriate stuff...
Anyway, I meant a reverse sidehop clip. I'm not talking about the recoil boost method or any adult thing. It's for child link to get back through DoT without savewarping. Unfortunately, this means that it will probably only be of use to any lunatic who decides to 100% SS.

Video is all ready, but I don't know when I can upload. Surprisingly, I got it on the second attempt, despite having 15 minutes of practice after figuring it out. XD

SamusXLink wrote

I can't watch the vid atm; my parents blocked youtube cuz my little brother was derping around inappropriate stuff...
Anyway, I meant a reverse sidehop clip. I'm not talking about the recoil boost method or any adult thing. It's for child link to get back through DoT without savewarping. Unfortunately, this means that it will probably only be of use to any lunatic who decides to 100% SS.

Video is all ready, but I don't know when I can upload. Surprisingly, I got it on the second attempt, despite having 15 minutes of practice after figuring it out. XD

Even then it is still useless because you would have the Prelude of Light. I've found it useful for practicing DoT skip, that's about it.

Pheenoh wrote

Even then it is still useless because you would have the Prelude of Light. I've found it useful for practicing DoT skip, that's about it.

I think it would be faster to fall into the void, (which I do in the video) than to play the song and watch a warp cutscene. Of course, I haven't timed this, so I can't make any claims.

Pheenoh wrote

I've found it useful for practicing DoT skip,

So, this isn't new?