MM: Trick Research & Discovery Thread

It's nice to see that people are still messing around with this game  :)

Keep it up guys!

so that would be yet another way for fierce deity everywhere i suppose ^_^

if u do an aslide on the turtle the game crashes >:(

has anyone tried using this: http://pastebin.com/QQj8K3mf at woodfall to skip sonata? oob under center of woodfall to get into the temple. ofc i'm not even sure the entry would be there, but i'm certain the temple graphic is there so idk. haven't been able to get under there any other way to check, and im not rly skilled enough to do that technique.

no shamu wat that  is is a weird shot. it puts ur camera oob but not physically link. it can be used to hookshot through walls though

mofoshamu wrote

has anyone tried using this: http://pastebin.com/QQj8K3mf at woodfall to skip sonata? oob under center of woodfall to get into the temple. ofc i'm not even sure the entry would be there, but i'm certain the temple graphic is there so idk. haven't been able to get under there any other way to check, and im not rly skilled enough to do that technique.

Pretty sure the loading zone of Woodfall Temple doesn't exist until you play the song.

bluephantom340 wrote

Pretty sure the loading zone of Woodfall Temple doesn't exist until you play the song.

It does exist, it's under the water there.

mofoshamu wrote

has anyone tried using this: http://pastebin.com/QQj8K3mf at woodfall to skip sonata? oob under center of woodfall to get into the temple. ofc i'm not even sure the entry would be there, but i'm certain the temple graphic is there so idk. haven't been able to get under there any other way to check, and im not rly skilled enough to do that technique.

Unfortunately, it's only the camera that goes under, and even if we could hookshot something from down there, going through the loading zone with a hookshot doesn't trigger it.

Really good idea though! I don't think we should rule it out just yet because the game is always surprising us, but with the knowledge that we currently have, it would seem that this sort of thing doesn't work. Not sure how it would work though, Only zora can stand up there, and the poisonous water makes it tough.

maybe if u got the camera oob and then used a bomb to trick the camera into making link physically fall oob too:0

Is the loading zone just sitting in the water or is it underneath the solid ground?

underneath solid ground

i would have thought of ocarina dive there... but seems to be useless either since the loading zone is under the solid ground... sad :/

well maybe you could get oob and hover to the loading zone?

Nope. There's water everywhere under the map. Touching OoB water in this game voids you out or whatever you want to call it

well never mind then... or maybe u could do that sos storage thing and cancel underneath the water and then use a chu to hover

You should consider getting savestates on emulator and try things out instead of saying "well maybe you could..." It's nice of you to communicate your thoughts (some people try to hide their discoveries and stuff for some stupid reason) but the best way to find things out is to test them yourself.

This isn't related to woodfall stuff, but I noticed something kind of odd.
Link will never put items away automatically during time stop. This means that you can go into water with items in your hand or even pause and take them off your c buttons and he still won't put them away. (He'll put them away once you cancel timestop.)

Getting items stolen by the takkuri causes even stranger things to happen. If you stop time with the guilded sword in your hand and get it stolen, the kokiri sword will appear in link's hands, no animation or anything. Great fairy's sword and bottles will just remain in link's hands when stolen. Once again, link will put these items away once you cancel time stop because they are still gone from your inventory, including the "fake" kokiri sword.

About Keeta skip: would mashing both A and Start maximize your chances of succeeding? Mashing A for the chest opening and start for a backup A input. I would think that would make the trick more reliable than not. Is there something that makes this not a viable strategy? I don't recall anyone having tried that before.

I brought up mashing both start and A before. The problem is that it's hard to mash both of those buttons effectively and press B to cancel the ocarina. If you feel you that that's not a problem for you then go ahead.

Yashichidsf wrote

You should consider getting savestates on emulator and try things out instead of saying "well maybe you could..." It's nice of you to communicate your thoughts (some people try to hide their discoveries and stuff for some stupid reason) but the best way to find things out is to test them yourself.

well some people may hide things to use them in races as a secret weopon.

timestop glitch won't allow major changes to happen directly... only kinda... indirectly
those include major(?) inventory changes, status changes (iirc) and so on. all of those take effect after the timestop ended.

small example: if you die during timestop, the game doesn't give you a game over screen. you'll just lose the control. If you trigger a loading zone during that, you'll enter the loading zone and die after.
thats exactly the same with the sword.
I guess the game got the kokiri sword as the default value for the sword value.
So technically you still have the Kokiri sword, while not having it anymore - the game just doesn't allow you to use it.

about the emulator stuff... I like thinking about stuff... but I'm too lazy to get there on emulator + I have to use a xbox gamepad...

Multisnivy wrote

well some people may hide things to use them in races as a secret weopon.

Yeah well if you do that you're a douchebag. Hiding things is dumb.

true

found a timesaver for any% english today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFF40kS8o2U

its pretty retarded because it totally relies in RNG, but well saves up to 30 secs..

so pretty much the low% strat but w/ bombs

Having to rely on luck there just seems really silly to me

well yea it is pretty dumb, and i timed it again it saves 20s at best, not 30

so wouldnt go for it..

you can also SoS to great bay to pick up bombs (+ arrows and magic)

might seem slow but is still about 15 secs faster than the usual method, doesnt include RNG and gives arrows, magic and a fairy for those who need it  :P

still eng only

came up with an alternative strat for lullaby skip (instead of the superslide)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVyWZpYpq7E


obviously not for wr attempts and stuff, but some people might use it

It is probably known already - but it's possible to pause after you played the Oath of Order at the end. I tried to die, but the game doesn't let you die (you'll just continue buffer with 0 hearts and die on the moon when the cutscene is over after you stopped buffering)

someone tested a little with that cutscene already?

found a way to climb upside-down chests in the JP version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9wo_JzPur0