SS: Trick Research & Discovery

There was no Stone pillar. I could easily fix that by practicing the harp with Impa before doing the trials, but I would still need the MS to open the GoT anyways. So you'd still need to beat every dungeon fully. I was hoping you never needed to get MS or open the GoT, but I guess not.

I guess I'll start doing any% soon...


EDIT: Oh, something I forgot to mention. At the dead end, there were 3 Old Impas in the temple. Pretty funny. One from pre Imp1, one from Pre imp 2, and one from post triforce. And a single Groose was there too, also post triforce. New record for most number of duplicate characters at once?

How are the early light pillars limited?

First, like Skykeep, you have to be saved at a save prompt in order for the glitch to work. Unfortunately, there are very few save prompts in the game when skip dungeons.

If you try to do early pillars on the opening cutscene (fresh file) then you can't save your bird.

So this leaves only the prompt after you save your bird and the prompt after you place the tablet. The only other two prompts are after beating skyview and earth temple.

Second, you also can't place an earlier tablet after you open a later pillar, or you'll crash. So that only leaves one save prompt after placing the emerald tablet. Which means to get the other save prompt you'll have to beat either skyview or earth temple.

If you open eldin early, then you can skip the second half of skyview and beat all of earth temple normally. So you'd only save a couple minutes, since the rest of skyview is shorts. Skipping this saves like 6 minutes in Skyview, but it takes like 3 minutes to open the pillar. (1 min to get to goddess statue, 1 min to tie + Fi text, 1 min of more Fi text and placing tablet)

Alternatively, if you open lanayru early, then can skip the second half of earth temple, which is much more. Unfortunately, you'd have to also open eldin up using bitloading on the skyview save prompt, since placing the tablet would crash. This saves like 10 minutes in Earth Temple, but like 6 minutes to open both pillars. And then you'll need to need to open thunderhead early somewhere else, which will take like another min.

The timings are rough, and you actually save time, but it's only a couple minutes. Not the 15 or so minutes I had originally planned when I though you could open the pillars at anytime. If you are only doing elding early, you can just use a completed file for skykeep and a second file to open eldin. But if you want to open both your completed file needs to have an unplaced eldin/lanayru tablet, a file which does not exist and would take a long time to make.

Been a while since this was posted in. I timed this to be around 5-10 seconds faster in a harp run, but I haven't done enough testing to see if it is good for any%, but I really doubt it. It allows you to skip talking to gorko about goddess cubes, so fi will never talk to you in the sky about them either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLJAMyvJqZQ&feature=youtu.be

I tested TLoZSR's trick above for any%; it doesn't seem so useful there, since doing that BiTWarp and the Early Thunderhead trick after Skyview means you don't visit the Forest Temple statue.  That makes it slower to get back to Skyview for the sacred water; you could fly to the Deep Woods statue, but then it's 5-10 seconds more to run to Skyview.  Running to Skyview from Faron Silent Realm and doing cube warp on the second visit is possible, but then Fi's Goddess Cube text will trigger next time you return to the sky, which defeats part of the point of the cube warp skip.  So it does seem only useful in harp runs.

TheWorm found this trick, I was able to get it recorded and put it up on youtube.

Basically, you can get into isle of songs without solving the puzzle, but it's very very precise. Took me about 2 hours to finally get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_k7dWQR6VM

This is really some awesome stuff! Pretty hilarious too. SS forum has been kind of dead lately.

Unfortunately goddess cubes won't activate until you hit the first goddess cube (Gorko's Cube)

If you want to keep trying you can try to get it after you hit that first cube, just for fun. :D

I wouldn't say this is really new(somebody's probably already posted this) but I found the 'loading area' for the Lake Floria using the OoB from the fence. You can get an extra bush-whacking out of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfyNYyRCJxM&feature=plcp As I said, it's most likely been found before since you can just fall off the OoB.

Yea, that is extremely old.

Pedalpowertoast wrote

Yea, that is extremely old.

I feel stupid even posting it anyway    ::) I just felt it was odd.

I don't know if anyone have seen this but I posted this video few days earlier. I don't think it have any use but still it's fun and new to me at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_Nw98BOUo&feature=plcp

Skip Fi text/map when entering Faron for the first time, saves 6 seconds. Fi trigger is gone once you skip it (not entirely confirmed yet, but seems to be gone for good).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03wgzg65KKk&lc=zHk9NT2Ikm7yKQ-9oExFgoUYviUYk_nEnmbmY2LkDgI&feature=inbox

AC crap. Two really small optimizations and 2 half-working promising things, a clip and BK pit escape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKib9hfK2M0&feature=g-upl

Good to see somebody is putting time make this game more fun! That last sliding thing just before you get boss key. Could you blow yourself up? I mean like place bomb down below you and go that sliding position like in your video. Could bombs push you enough up or could you maybe do something else, like sidehop?

Double post coming! I found this sequence break when I was playing SS. I think this will be very useful in speedrun because you can get basement early and top level early in AC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIaBHxyuc6E&feature=youtu.be

wow, I didn't expect that to be found. Skips pretty much every thing.

1) Enter
2) Clip to basement
3) BK
4) Whip
5) Boss

Like wtf? That clip looks really hard, but the results are so satisfying.

this trick is amazing, I made a video of the new AC route, and I kind of explain how I set the angle up. Somehow didn't think of a deathwarp after the key, so do that instead xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwLGPwRFGoo

wait, this trick doesn't work on japanese, the gap isn't there. You've got to be fucking kidding me :(

No kidding, the japanese version often has issues, but the text is mostly faster.

So this trick is not useful at all because it doesn't work in japanese version of SS. That is some bullshit right there from nintendo! What they were thinking!!! There must be japanese version where it works!

Yeah it's stupid doesn't work on my english version neither.

alright, we need to find a clip in AC for all versions of this game, I'm not going back to english, lol. Anyone have any ideas? I've tried all sorts of stuff all throughout the room, but no luck

Maybe you can toy with this, clipping the camera into the wall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=grrnsHJUlnQ

Lets hope its not also version exclusive!

How much does japanese version of the game save time overall with all cutscenes combined?  Is it somewhere near 7 mins which is saved now in english version of the game?

That camera thing what I used to get little bit inside of walls. It somehow works but I'm pretty sure this game collision is not gonna give up that easily because of the very good collision coding which is used in TWW, TP and in this game I think. Good luck if somebody get anything out of this.

Other theory which sounds interesting if we could somehow glitch save statues and save anywhere where we could. Then we would be able to save almost any X, Y and Z coordinates to any map and this would allow us to get out of bounds in any map.

And I don't know could this be used somehow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoHSqRSLpK8

Kazooie wrote

How much does japanese version of the game save time overall with all cutscenes combined?  Is it somewhere near 7 mins which is saved now in english version of the game?

That camera thing what I used to get little bit inside of walls. It somehow works but I'm pretty sure this game collision is not gonna give up that easily because of the very good collision coding which is used in TWW, TP and in this game I think. Good luck if somebody get anything out of this.

Other theory which sounds interesting if we could somehow glitch save statues and save anywhere where we could. Then we would be able to save almost any X, Y and Z coordinates to any map and this would allow us to get out of bounds in any map.

And I don't know could this be used somehow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoHSqRSLpK8

Japanese saves 17:30 with text, minus the 7 saved for the new clip, and you get around 10:30 faster now.

I also don't think you're gonna have much luck clipping like that.

If you could store any XYZ coordinate, GG this game is done, lol

That OoB isn't useful, you'll fall out of the water if you move anywhere else unfortunately.

By the way Kazooie, I'm really glad you're still looking for tricks in this game, thanks a lot :)

Yeah it will be very broken if somebody figures that out!

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By the way Kazooie, I'm really glad you're still looking for tricks in this game, thanks a lot Smiley

Thanks! I hope we will to figure something new in near future :)

Douple post, sorry!

I made this video today. Nothing really big but decided to make it if somebody can figure something else out from these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exLGirarEzs&feature=youtu.be

Has anyone tried doing a Highflip of a bomb at roughly the same time as the bomb explodes? I would like to test that but I can't at the moment.

DekuScrub wrote

Has anyone tried doing a Highflip of a bomb at roughly the same time as the bomb explodes? I would like to test that but I can't at the moment.

inb4 we get a hover from this