BiT Research Topic

So you can't skip sailcloth because of this stupid thing? Have anyone proofed this yet? What about if you sleep to night in academy and then go to his room and sleep to morning? Or is his door locked at night?

Here's the Fire Sanctuary timesaver I mentioned in my last post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YGWQhLdP9w

It is funny to battle against that Dark Lizalfos. He will block every single attack you do on him, and then he resets unless you hit him fast enough.
So I tried all my items and noticed that it is possible to stun him with the whip, and if you put away the whip and attack fast enough, you can get a hit on him, then just spin attack and use finishing blow on him. :)

I also tried to see if you could get past the other gate during BiT, it turns out that you can.

I misworded my post.
I meant can you clip through the school to get to his room?
For now we should just wait and see what happens when it's time to talk to him.
It's hard to come up with theories without at least being able to test them.

You can't talk to him at night because he's taking a bath ;)

TheOnlyOne wrote

He isn’t saying you can’t get into the academy, he’s saying you can’t get into the room of the instructor who teaches you the spiral charge.

Unless some sidequest event unlocks his door (doubtful) the only potential way into his room would be a BiTWW. We might have to get the sailcloth afterall. =/

Is the thunderhead locked until you get the spiral charge? Because there was some video of a guy fighting the M(?)ilobyte by landing directly on Levias without charging any of the eyeballs.

Zm4rf wrote

Is the thunderhead locked until you get the spiral charge? Because there was some video of a guy fighting the M(?)ilobyte by landing directly on Levias without charging any of the eyeballs.

You have to unlock it before going to levias, but the thunderhead unlocks way before that. You go to thunderhead after the 3rd temple.
Levias is after the 6th(?) temple.

Ah right, the isle of songs, I forgot.

I'm guessing Levias doesn't appear until the teacher dude has taught Link the spin dash?

Zm4rf wrote

Ah right, the isle of songs, I forgot.

I'm guessing Levias doesn't appear until the teacher dude has taught Link the spin dash?

He doesn't appear until you bring him the soup, and you can't get the soup until you get the spin dash.

Although if it's possible to complete the Thunder Dragon quest early, I wonder if that might help by triggering something.

I'm almost at lvl6 on my BiT save. I'll hurry up and finish to see if the door remains locked. Warping in there is so unlikely, but maybe warping from Zelda's bed would work. It's a 1 in a million chance though.

Turns out Sailcloth skip gets you stuck. Dead-end. Only useful in harp runs.

Before you give up, can you at least post a video of the situation?

Trust me, there is no way. If there was, it would be way longer than just getting it. I was thinking maybe finishing the Cawlin's letter, but i doubt it. If you want a video, just skip sailcloth and go into academy. Hit + and you can see the map. Try going into most rooms. That is the situation.

Post a save of it in the save topic then?

Would we save time by doing BiTW after rescuing the loftwing to skip the ceremony intro? I am not sure how long that intro really is.

Also, we can still skip most of the Fi Escort even if we get the sailcloth by saving at the first statue after exiting the house during night, BiTW & then enter the statue of goddess. But I do not know how much time this would save either. I would assume that it is slightly faster though.

This will not save much time, but it's something.

Edit:
During BiT, if you kill yourself, then choose Continue and load a file at the same time, you will warp to the location you were supposed to respawn during BiT.
So if I for example enter the goddess statue during BiT, kill myself in there with bombs, then load a file and press continue at the same time, I will load the file and spawn in the goddess statue.

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In the sand ship, wouldn't we save time by saving at the statue at boss door when we get 2nd key, BiTWW to the boss key room, unlock the door to spawn the boss key chest, take the boss key, and deathwarp back down?
Or maybe it's faster to just run to the boss key room? I can't remember how long it takes.

I have an idea that's probably impossible.
Can you double BIT...or something like that.

Let's take the Ancient Cistern for example. First the normal BIT way.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue(near the 2nd floor school entrance) at the school and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
3. If I understood right, you'll be back in Ancient Cistern at xyz location.

Now what if you did this instead.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue #1 at the school and save but don't continue.
3. Perform a BIT during this BIT mode.
4. Then during BIT you head to bird statue #2 and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
Would you be at a different location then if you would of performed a normal BIT and just chose bird statue #2 from the start?

KingOfHeart wrote

I have an idea that's probably impossible.
Can you double BIT...or something like that.

Let's take the Ancient Cistern for example. First the normal BIT way.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue(near the 2nd floor school entrance) at the school and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
3. If I understood right, you'll be back in Ancient Cistern at xyz location.

Now what if you did this instead.
1. So you save at the entrance bird and do a BIT.
2. Then during BIT you head to the bird statue #1 at the school and save but don't continue.
3. Perform a BIT during this BIT mode.
4. Then during BIT you head to bird statue #2 and save & continue your Ancient Cistern game.
Would you be at a different location then if you would of performed a normal BIT and just chose bird statue #2 from the start?

In theory, the first save would end up putting you back in skyloft, then the second save would BiTWW you on the skyloft map, which would just put you in front of the statue you saved at. Of course you never know until you try.

CloudMax wrote

Would we save time by doing BiTW after rescuing the loftwing to skip the ceremony intro? I am not sure how long that intro really is.

Also, we can still skip most of the Fi Escort even if we get the sailcloth by saving at the first statue after exiting the house during night, BiTW & then enter the statue of goddess. But I do not know how much time this would save either. I would assume that it is slightly faster though.

This will not save much time, but it's something.

I actually messed around with this last night. I think skipping part of the Fi escort using BiT may be a tad faster, but I'm not completely sure. Also, after rescuing the loftwing but before the race, there are two unskippable decently long cutscenes to sit through, so if we can skip those scenes with BiT, it would be nice. I can try playing around with it now to see if it works.

EDIT:

If you do BiT after saving your loftwing, you can go inside a building (like the Bazaar) and come back out to load the actors. Zelda, Groose, Cawlin, and Stritch are at the Plaza, and so is instructor Horwell(?), and the Golden loftwing with the statue (the loftwing isn't solid). If you get close enough to Zelda, the cutscene starts except it has no control over Link. When I did it, after Zelda left the plaza, it pushed me a little bit, and I wasn't visible for the rest of the cutscene. Then the other cutscene starts like normal, then the race. But you can walk around Zelda to avoid triggering the first cutscene, and jump off and call your loftwing. When you mount it, it loads the area outside of Skyloft, except you are in the race, so you can skip the cutscenes with BiT which would be faster.

Matt, if you leave skyloft from anywhere at that point, you will cause the cutscene. This is known.

This double BiT stuff makes no sense. The reason For BiTWarping is saving and loading at the same time. Saving once without loading would set your map to skyloft, therefore making you appear there if you attempt to warp.

Also, I'm not quite done with sailcloth skip. Me and Testrunner were talking last night and I got an idea I want to try. Slim chance, but it would save a lof of time.

I also wonder exactly how BiTWarping works. The thing I want go know is if it uses the coordinates you are at, or the ones you saved at. So far, they are the same, but if we find another activation method, that would be important. That would make us able to use any coordinates instead of being limited to statues.

Can you activate a saving cut scene during BIT mode? Then you could save and load a file at the same time instead of just using the bird warps.

Slim to none chances. Saving places like that typically require activities to be done and they cannot be done in BiT. Also, turns out that even with the Tree of Life fruit, the Thunder Dragon will not appear before Levias. No sailcloth skip fix yet


IDEA: I was talking with TestRunner and he thought of using BiTWarping into unloaded rooms, then using a Wrong Warp from those statues. Please test!!

There is a bug when you do the early seed of life. I got it when I made my 2nd visit to the Desert after getting the clawshot, but got the Bird Statue the first time I went to the desert. I then started the minecart part when I was going to get the 3rd part of the Song of the Hero and all the textures for the minecart section were shown as they were back in time even though the minecart had not reached that section. For example, you can see all the vines in the hookshot room but can only climb on them when the minecart is far enough on the rail. The only things that didn't appear early were the platforms and the clawshot targets.
All in all it is just bothersome more than anything, but something to watch out for.

Tried doing BiT warp/new save by sleeping in bed at night and saving, it was kinda neat. You can create the 1 heart corrupted save so that it starts out at night. New game starting at night is dead end haven. You can reach the goddess statue but the door won't open without Fi.

Also, dying and continuing results in a game crash with the 1 heart / new game?

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IDEA: I was talking with TestRunner and he thought of using BiTWarping into unloaded rooms, then using a Wrong Warp from those statues. Please test!!

I hope people realise this by now since I've explained it way to many times already, but you can't OoB wrong warp from unloaded rooms.
Unloaded rooms and OoB rooms is entirely different things.

A unloaded room is when you are in the right map, but actors haven't loaded properly.
A OoB room is when you have loaded the wrong map.

And BiTWW rarely takes us to OoB rooms. it is almost always just unloaded rooms.

We can get to OoB floria waterfall by BiTWW from lake floria. This OoB Wrong Warp crashes.
We can get to a OoB statue in Fire Sanctuary by loading the boss door area, and entering one of the doors on the bridges. This one also crashes.
We an get to OoB statues in the desert area by doing BiTWW from temple of time. These statues crashes.

I can't remember if there actually is more OoB statues that we can access, but there is just a few that we have access to, and they all crash.

Doing BiTWW in skyview and spawning in the unloaded circle room is not OoB. It is just the room that hasn't loaded properly.

And then there is places like LMF that is extremely odd. This one takes you into what seems like a OoB room if you BiTWW from the entrance bird statue. Problem is that the game actually registers that OoB room as being in the actual room, but exiting and entering the room or trying to OoB Wrong Warp won't do anything. it doesn't count as being OoB....

Sorry CloudMax, I guess I was mistaken. I thought a Wrong Warp was from unloaded rooms. Also, can we just call it BiTWarping? It has nothing to do with Wrong Warps. It is so much easier to say bit warp. Just a pet peeve.

Probably some old stuff here, but gonna post it anyway.

I discovered how to die during BiT and be able to continue without crashing the game. I "think" all that needs to be done is you need to just save the game on a non bit or corrupt file. Or if that doesn't work, just grab a fruit to load a non-bit or corrupt file. I'm sort of wondering if there may be a way to access other locations with this, have to test something out tomorrow to be sure.

Second, I was able to wrong warp from night-time pumpkin to night-time skyloft. That wrong warp is so nifty.

Third of all, every bed in the houses on the east side of the river always has the ability to change time.

Fourth, I noticed that if you bit as soon as you get your loftwing back, you can jump of any platform and fly around skyloft. If you head towards the east end of town, somewhere around there you'll hit a loading trigger which will take you straight into what I'm calling the "loftwing training ground". This area will load during BiT, and completing it simply returns you back to the proper point in the game.

Now, this stays this way until after you've beaten the bird statue challenge and zelda is tossed below the surface. Once the Follow Fi sequence starts, hitting that trigger takes you to the Loftwing Ceremony thing instead. Once you complete it, everything seems to run normally until the sail cloth diving challenge. No cutscene will play once you hit the ground, and you're stuck in that area of skyloft and have to bit out.

Interestingly enough, if you bit out of the Follow Fi sequence and talk to some people, they talk as if you haven't completed the Loftwing Ceremony thing.

Has this been attempted on the demo? Maybe the whole game would be available after wrongwarp and saving? It's possible there's no statues on a demo BiT Skyloft though

The demo at my local best buy has statues, but they cannot be saved at. But this doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to BiT.

Wait, are you referring to the leaked demo? Thinking of that, I really want to get that on a hdd and try this out.

I discovered something new.

The cutscenes that play in Skyloft are NOT determined solely by what cutscenes have already played in the file. There is another factor to this.

Here's exactly what I did on my Hero save in slot 3. I started off at skyloft's bird statue and killed myself, activating BiT. When I rolled into the bug tree, the bats door opening cutscene occured. I then moved to the bird statue outside of the earth temple and saved/killed myself. This time when I rolled into the tree I got both the bats cutscene AND the opening of the thunderhead cloud cutscene!

Abahbob wrote

Wait, are you referring to the leaked demo? Thinking of that, I really want to get that on a hdd and try this out.

Yes the leaked one, the effects should be intriguing

Abahbob wrote

Wait, are you referring to the leaked demo? Thinking of that, I really want to get that on a hdd and try this out.

Dying in that goes right back to the title screen, without the game over screen. You also can't use the home button. Resetting via the button on the wii while the screen is black did nothing, but i only tried it once, so i can't say for sure it wouldn't work at different times, but i doubt it.

Have you tried TP BiT?